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Tim E. Husk
8/9/2011 9:13:00 AM
How about that? It's a bit like the beginning of every dystopian/sci-fi movie about London produced.

Billy Crystals
8/9/2011 9:21:00 AM
If they were focusing their anger on large banks and what not I really wouldn't care. The burning down and looting of peoples houses and shops is shitty though. I understand their are underlying themes as to why this started but it sucks to see people just latching onto it for the sole reason of getting free stuff/smashing other people's stuff.
Tim E. Husk
8/9/2011 9:38:00 AM
Despite hundreds of articles online, no one is able to say clearly what, if anything, remains of a real protest. It seems as though it never was - rioters just went crazy while the real 'protest' was peaceful and short. More of a vigil, really.
Billy Crystals
8/9/2011 9:44:00 AM
I do believe that it was happened. From what I have read and seen it seems like a sort of LA riots type situation where anger and resentment have boiled over in this community, and now this anger has spread amongst other communities. While there are definitely people taking advantage of the situation to loot and commit crimes I personally don't want to see the entire series of events to be explained away as just "hooliganism".

It would have been nice to see a better display of mass civil disobedience instead of it just devolving into looting and uncoordinated destruction.
crunkmoose
8/9/2011 9:47:00 AM
Seems like the British police just can't have guns without killing someone with them.
mandakatzz
8/9/2011 9:49:00 AM
When have we've ever known a civilized poor section of a city?
Tim E. Husk
8/9/2011 9:51:00 AM
That's the problem I'm having right now, namely determining the levels of hooliganism and legitimate grievances (illegitimately expressed.) Obviously the police and politicians are painting this with broad strokes as a bunch of white (sub)urban people hijacking the situation, but a lot of interviews with minority victims of arson, looting, etc. seem to corroborate that viewpoint to a large degree.

If there is a real core to the rioting, it would be great to find out what it is.
Tim E. Husk
8/9/2011 9:51:00 AM
Originally posted by: mandakatzz

When have we've ever known a civilized poor section of a city?

Thank you for your insightful analysis.
Billy Crystals
8/9/2011 10:00:00 AM
As Crunkmoose alluded to the rioting stems from the rather dubious shooting of someone by the police. In this way it reminds of the King beating being a spark for the LA riots. While the shooting seems to be the initial focal point of the out pouring of anger I believe personally held, and community held, grievances against the police/State quickly got rolled up into one large expression of these emotions.

It is unfortunate that this anger is being used blindly, and in some cases for the wrong reasons. Destroying your own neighborhood is not going to benefit your situation in the end. While it does draw attention, both from the media and the populace, it only goes to delegitimize the original purpose.
Tim E. Husk
8/9/2011 10:10:00 AM
I know about the shooting. What I'm referring to is that the riots, according to some sources, had very little to do with it even in the beginning. It will be interesting to see how this is analyzed once it's over.
Billy Crystals
8/9/2011 10:23:00 AM
I'm sure it will be all chalked up to criminals/hooliganism.
Dianana
8/9/2011 11:28:00 AM
Originally posted by: adam.

I know about the shooting. What I'm referring to is that the riots, according to some sources, had very little to do with it even in the beginning. It will be interesting to see how this is analyzed once it's over.

This is basically what friends over there have been saying on Facebook. People are looting and burning shit down just because.
Jason Voorheees
8/9/2011 11:46:00 AM
listen to this if you want to hear how stupid some of these people are:


click here for link



London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

9 August 2011 Last updated at 08:35 ET BBC NEWS

Two girls who took part in Monday night's riots in Croydon have boasted that they were showing police and "the rich" that "we can do what we want".

The pair who were drinking wine looted from a local shop at 09:30 BST on Tuesday morning, spoke to the BBC's Leana Hosea


LEATHERFACE
8/9/2011 12:54:00 PM
Apparently this isn't much different from the flash mobs occurring here in the states- kids using facebook and twitter to organize and coordinate crimes. I wonder if Sharplimbs is out burning cars with Davey.....?
Dianana
8/9/2011 12:59:00 PM
Originally posted by: LEATHERFACE

Apparently this isn't much different from the flash mobs occurring here in the states- kids using facebook and twitter to organize and coordinate crimes. I wonder if Sharplimbs is out burning cars with Davey.....?

That's pretty much what it reminds me of, only these retards in Philly aren't burning shit down.

They are throwing bricks at people (not cops) and robbing people (not cops).
crunkmoose
8/9/2011 1:05:00 PM
Originally posted by: Billy Crystals

As Crunkmoose alluded to the rioting stems from the rather dubious shooting of someone by the police. In this way it reminds of the King beating being a spark for the LA riots. While the shooting seems to be the initial focal point of the out pouring of anger I believe personally held, and community held, grievances against the police/State quickly got rolled up into one large expression of these emotions.

It is unfortunate that this anger is being used blindly, and in some cases for the wrong reasons. Destroying your own neighborhood is not going to benefit your situation in the end. While it does draw attention, both from the media and the populace, it only goes to delegitimize the original purpose.

What it reminds me of more is their first attempt at shooting terrorists who are about to carry out attacks.. you know... the brazillian guy they murdered who was completely innocent and whose murder they tried to cover up.
crunkmoose
8/9/2011 1:08:00 PM
.. and then, of course, there is all this new "austerity" bullshit that BG has been doing, which basically means the same there as it does here.. we are going to cut programs for the non-wealthy so we don't have to tax the wealthy any more.
Erie Ed
8/9/2011 1:13:00 PM
I was reading something on MSNBC about this and while I was reading I came across this line:

You really don’t have to look very far for the reasons for London’s rioting, looting and generally thuggish frenzy of violence, located mostly in poorer, peripheral communities. The lives of most rioters are so far removed from those of the country's leaders it’s like they occupy different planets.

and then I thought...gee with whats going on in the US right now how long before this sort of thing starts happening here.
crunkmoose
8/9/2011 2:01:00 PM
Originally posted by: Erie Ed

I was reading something on MSNBC about this and while I was reading I came across this line:

You really don’t have to look very far for the reasons for London’s rioting, looting and generally thuggish frenzy of violence, located mostly in poorer, peripheral communities. The lives of most rioters are so far removed from those of the country's leaders it’s like they occupy different planets.

and then I thought...gee with whats going on in the US right now how long before this sort of thing starts happening here.

Why else do you think our police has been so militarized over the last few years?
Erie Ed
8/9/2011 2:27:00 PM
Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Erie Ed

I was reading something on MSNBC about this and while I was reading I came across this line:

You really don’t have to look very far for the reasons for London’s rioting, looting and generally thuggish frenzy of violence, located mostly in poorer, peripheral communities. The lives of most rioters are so far removed from those of the country's leaders it’s like they occupy different planets.

and then I thought...gee with whats going on in the US right now how long before this sort of thing starts happening here.

Why else do you think our police has been so militarized over the last few years?

Well that would make sense. I know that a lot of the SF's I knew when I was in the AF were training with city/state police. Still if things get worse I can see it happening. I took a look at the unemployed american numbers (Americans over 16) and in the past few years it's gone from the high 60% were employed to just around 51% employed. Things are definitely getting bad.
Yodel Toast
8/9/2011 2:29:00 PM
I don't know what the fuck this is about.

But this thread made me think of London Broil, so I'm here to post that.



okay, thanks for your time.
aboutleaving
8/9/2011 7:15:00 PM
Fucking disgraceful.

The first disturbance in Tottenham was a reasonably direct result of the police handling of the shooting that had taken place a few days earlier and a general distrust that already exists for a ton of reasons (and the looting and arson was a result of mob mentality/opportunism). The other riots aren't related to Tottenham shooting. Some people are just looting and then running from police. Others are confronting police and setting things on fire. It seems to be basically opportunism/anti-police/anti-establishment sentiment but with no political grounding whatsoever. It's aimless. Everything is a target. People are targets. The gangs have used BBMs to call truces in order to organise so that they can loot.

It's completely fucked. We have thousands of people with absolutely no respect for the places they live in. But that's not really news, everyone knew these people existed but they were attacking each other. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the current set of cuts specifically, although the educational maintenance allowance that was cut was a big hit to poorer kids going to school in london. The gap between the rich and the poor in this country is worse now than it has been since the 1920s. The hatred of police is more complicated, but it's not much different to anywhere else (drug prohibition, racial profiling, stop/searches, a perceived and at least partially genuine sense of injustice etc.)

The shooting sparked the riot in Tottenham. The Tottenham riot sparked all of the other ones because it worked, no one stopped them. I think that's the only reason it didn't happen at any point in the last few years. There was a whole load of people like this at the student protests, they just hated the police and wanted to riot, but there weren't enough of them and people would shout at them when they were being too stupid.

It's really fucking awful. Luckily it's really died down in London so far tonight. Manchester is dealing with a bit of stuff but not much, and it's quite chill everywhere else apparently. Not that anyone cares what I think, but it's nice to vent.
ass nipples
8/9/2011 7:18:00 PM
the only thing i know about tottenham is that gareth bale is fucking awesome
aboutleaving
8/9/2011 7:30:00 PM
bbc news are saying police are looking into reported shots fired in birmingham near city centre. sky news says police have been shot at. good conclusion to jump to in this climate of copycats.
crunkmoose
8/9/2011 9:48:00 PM
Originally posted by: Sharplimbed

bbc news are saying police are looking into reported shots fired in birmingham near city centre. sky news says police have been shot at. good conclusion to jump to in this climate of copycats.

Yeah, couldn't possibly be the police murdering even more people at all.

Good fucking reason british pigs didn't have guns for so long.
aboutleaving
8/10/2011 3:40:00 AM
they don't have guns, unless it was an armed response unit. but police wouldn't have to look into that. could be unrelated gunshots, or a car backfiring. just found it interesting how the murdoch-owned one seemed to have more provocative information than everyone else. probably just a coincidence.