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existential antelope
3/19/2009 7:56:00 PM
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Zionism is the problem

The Zionist ideal of a Jewish state is keeping Israelis and Palestinians from living in peace.

By Ben Ehrenreich
March 15, 2009

"It's hard to imagine now, but in 1944, six years after Kristallnacht, Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, felt comfortable equating the Zionist ideal of Jewish statehood with "the concept of a racial state -- the Hitlerian concept." For most of the last century, a principled opposition to Zionism was a mainstream stance within American Judaism.

Even after the foundation of Israel, anti-Zionism was not a particularly heretical position. Assimilated Reform Jews like Rosenwald believed that Judaism should remain a matter of religious rather than political allegiance; the ultra-Orthodox saw Jewish statehood as an impious attempt to "push the hand of God"; and Marxist Jews -- my grandparents among them -- tended to see Zionism, and all nationalisms, as a distraction from the more essential struggle between classes.

It is no longer possible to believe with an honest conscience that the deplorable conditions in which Palestinians live and die in Gaza and the West Bank come as the result of specific policies, leaders or parties on either side of the impasse. The problem is fundamental: Founding a modern state on a single ethnic or religious identity in a territory that is ethnically and religiously diverse leads inexorably either to politics of exclusion (think of the 139-square-mile prison camp that Gaza has become) or to wholesale ethnic cleansing. Put simply, the problem is Zionism."

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dougle
3/19/2009 11:49:00 PM
Originally posted by:existential antelope
The problem is fundamental: Founding a modern state on a single ethnic or religious identity in a territory that is ethnically and religiously diverse..


^ why they have never been able to actually make a constitution. israel is SO diverse- more so than the media portrays- and there is no way to integrate jewish religious law into a document that expresses its relationship to the state

i think it's a great point to say that opposing zionism doesn't equate antisemitism. there have been numerous zionist movements represented within israel, not just religious and political zionism. most people have one definition of zionism in their minds but in reality other options exist, although we don't hear about anyone favoring them today.

israel faces so many challenges, internal and external.. it's definitely going to take a lot of work, compromise, and pride-swallowing (from both the palestinians and israelis) to get anywhere at this point.. and lieberman is going to just make the situation worse unfortunately, and i don't look forward to seeing it happen
dougle
3/21/2009 4:25:00 PM
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palealeisgreat
3/22/2009 6:43:00 AM
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