Ron Paul 21 replies, 9278 views

I am better than you
5/25/2007 4:23:00 PM
Did anyone hear Ron Paul say that the "mayor of 9/11" would have to read 4 books and report back to him before he would ever consider him for president. Absolutely hilarious. This guy speaks his mind and is actually intelligent. Ashame on a DEBATE that they wanted to silence him and then ban him from any further "debate". I really don't see a better candidate at the current moment.
The Oso
5/25/2007 5:41:00 PM
i wish he was president. he knows what hes doing. but hell never be allowed to represent the republican party.
Rats in the walls
5/25/2007 6:10:00 PM
It's funny how all the pundits after that debate said Rudy Guilianni came out the strongest, but when the polls came back they all said it was Ron Paul.
I am better than you
5/25/2007 6:18:00 PM
It's scary that public opinion doesn't even matter anymore. Sad to see democracy leaving America.
Kadesh
5/25/2007 7:03:00 PM
I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.
crunkmoose
5/25/2007 10:43:00 PM
"all except for his beliefs about terrorism"

Such as? Diamonds to donuts, you don't even KNOW his beliefs about terrorism to begin with.. though I'm sure you'd be happy to just make shit up as usual.

"because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead"

There is no one who doesn't believe it, you dumb fuck. Name me ONE sane person who actually believes there is no threat from terrorist groups... just one.

"and ignoring them won't stop them."

"I don't know where Osama Bin Laden is. He isn't important" George W.orthless Bush.

I am better than you
5/25/2007 11:07:00 PM
Well he doesn't agree we should be there either. But I think you strongly underestimate our intelligence. They have GPS satellites and many other forms of tracking devices. I really think the most important thing is protecting America. This means securing the borders and tightening up regulations for imports. Basically we should be doing what the Iraq Study Group told us to do. Instead Bush has gone against basically everything they have suggested the US do.

But the point being, the majority of Americans want this to happen. However, it seems that the people we have elected do not represent what we want and choose to simply back down to Bush. The worst part about it is instead of at least talking about the other (more realistic) strategies of our "war on terror", they simply puff their chest out and smear anyone that speaks against our president. The simple fact that because the Minnesota representative was actually trying to kick someone out of the next debate simply because he did not agree with him is appalling. And I think this is the real problem with America, most people don't seem to see how absurd this election system has become.
Tml Matus
5/26/2007 12:59:00 AM
makes me sad that he's a republican :( ... smart guy.
destroytheweak
5/26/2007 1:03:00 AM
Originally posted by:matt.

I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.

you act like this war or any other war on terrorism will do a damn thing. no matter how many of them we kill there will always be people that hate this country and want to do a terrorist act against us. going into a country to kill all the terrorists won't do anything. making a country democratic and taking away a terrorist breeding ground won't do anything. i know that i'm not optomistic at all on this subject, but it doesn't matter whether you support this war or not, there will always be terrorists so deal with it.
Kadesh
5/26/2007 3:08:00 AM
Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Such as? Diamonds to donuts, you don't even KNOW his beliefs about terrorism to begin with.. though I'm sure you'd be happy to just make shit up as usual.



wow, thanks again for not knowing anything about what i personally looked into. how the crap do you think i figured out he doesn't stand for the war on iraq? ....exactly
Kadesh
5/26/2007 3:11:00 AM
Originally posted by:metalhead22554

Originally posted by:matt.

I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.

you act like this war or any other war on terrorism will do a damn thing. no matter how many of them we kill there will always be people that hate this country and want to do a terrorist act against us. going into a country to kill all the terrorists won't do anything. making a country democratic and taking away a terrorist breeding ground won't do anything. i know that i'm not optomistic at all on this subject, but it doesn't matter whether you support this war or not, there will always be terrorists so deal with it.


it's an ongoing war, but just because you can't permanently stop crime doesn't mean we need to get rid of the police force. you need to fight terrorism, deal with it.
dancy
5/26/2007 4:10:00 AM
i'd vote for him
palealeisgreat
5/26/2007 4:11:00 AM
Originally posted by:matt.

I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.

damn, you still don't think 9/11 was an inside job? what do you have to say about bush, cheney and all of those cronies in their "think tank" calling for a "another Pearl Harbor" inorder to achieve their agenda?
dancy
5/26/2007 4:17:00 AM
normal people scoff at the idea of 9/11 being an inside job. rob paul needs to be president. nuff said.
destroytheweak
5/26/2007 9:25:00 AM
Originally posted by:matt.

Originally posted by:metalhead22554

Originally posted by:matt.

I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.

you act like this war or any other war on terrorism will do a damn thing. no matter how many of them we kill there will always be people that hate this country and want to do a terrorist act against us. going into a country to kill all the terrorists won't do anything. making a country democratic and taking away a terrorist breeding ground won't do anything. i know that i'm not optomistic at all on this subject, but it doesn't matter whether you support this war or not, there will always be terrorists so deal with it.


it's an ongoing war, but just because you can't permanently stop crime doesn't mean we need to get rid of the police force. you need to fight terrorism, deal with it.


good point, but this is still a losing battle no matter what way you look at it. it isn't winnable as bush tries to make it seem. if this war is on stopping terrorism than over 3,000 soilders have died for a wrong cause. yes it was good that we took a dictator out of power, but that is still no reason to invade a country. i'd rather not turn this thread into a debate on why we went into iraq, but just know that we are fighting a losing battle.
coastal elite
5/26/2007 9:57:00 AM
Like I said in my thread about Rudy Giuliani, I was completely disgusted that Ron Paul was asked to recant his VERY valid opinion that our foreign policy brought along 9/11. I like Ron Paul and I'm quite liberal, so perhaps if he just appeals to a few more conservatives, he might have a chance.
aboutleaving
5/26/2007 9:58:00 AM
To metalhead:

I've had this argument countless times with matt, but a point that you've not mentioned yet is that the stratergies of the war on terror are creating support for the terrorists, and people are their only weapon anyway.

There's a way to make islamic fundamentalism less popular and this is not it, and the bush admiinistration knows it. They'd rather exploit a semi-risk masquerading as a threat to society so that they can bring "freedom" to the Middle East, which in turn should keep America the world's biggest superpower as long as possible, and at the same time, the morality that has been lost since the 50s because of liberalism will be wiped away as the American people rally up and unite against evil.

I really recommend checking out this documentary (shown on BBC2, now just random internet conspiracy stuff) if you can be bothered: click here for link

It talks about the original ideas of the neo-cons and the islamic radicals, and how we got to where we are today basically. This is probably one of the best and informative documentaries I've seen. Quite complicated, but you don't need any background knowledge.
crunkmoose
5/26/2007 11:06:00 AM
"But I think you strongly underestimate our intelligence. They have GPS satellites and many other forms of tracking devices. "

Iraq. 9-11. The Anthrax Attacks. Osama Bin Forgotten. Richard Reed.

No... I doubt anyone is UNDERestimating our intelligence capabilities.
crunkmoose
5/26/2007 11:09:00 AM
Originally posted by:matt.

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Such as? Diamonds to donuts, you don't even KNOW his beliefs about terrorism to begin with.. though I'm sure you'd be happy to just make shit up as usual.



wow, thanks again for not knowing anything about what i personally looked into. how the crap do you think i figured out he doesn't stand for the war on iraq? ....exactly


Dude.. calm down. You are the one who will just assume things and make things up when it "sounds right" to you. You did it with the Rummsfeld/Saddam pictures. You did it with Congresmen taking office. You did it with chickens being mammals.

So.. you tell me... where did you look this up? What did you actually find? The fact that you say nothing definite of what you looked into keeps me suspicious on this one.
crunkmoose
5/26/2007 11:11:00 AM
Originally posted by:matt.

Originally posted by:metalhead22554

Originally posted by:matt.

I like ron paul all except for his beliefs about terrorism, but i believe if he got into office, he'd quickly pick up the ball and do what was needed to be done against terrorism, because whether you believe it or not, islmaic terrorists want us dead, and ignoring them won't stop them. It certainly didn't when 9/11 happened. Other then that,he looks awesome.

you act like this war or any other war on terrorism will do a damn thing. no matter how many of them we kill there will always be people that hate this country and want to do a terrorist act against us. going into a country to kill all the terrorists won't do anything. making a country democratic and taking away a terrorist breeding ground won't do anything. i know that i'm not optomistic at all on this subject, but it doesn't matter whether you support this war or not, there will always be terrorists so deal with it.


it's an ongoing war, but just because you can't permanently stop crime doesn't mean we need to get rid of the police force. you need to fight terrorism, deal with it.


The problem is... the way you are "fighting" terrorism... by fighting wars.. is simply not working. It hasn't worked, and it never will work. When you go in and displace, detain, and kill civilian populations on the scale we have.. when you loose sectarian violence upon them by taking out everything that stopped it before... when you make these people suffer, no matter how well intentioned you may be they will become more likely to ally themselves against you... which means they will be more likely to support terrorist groups or join those groups.

crunkmoose
5/26/2007 11:16:00 AM
Originally posted by:Lauren from MD

Like I said in my thread about Rudy Giuliani, I was completely disgusted that Ron Paul was asked to recant his VERY valid opinion that our foreign policy brought along 9/11. I like Ron Paul and I'm quite liberal, so perhaps if he just appeals to a few more conservatives, he might have a chance.

Well, see.. you aren't even supposed to know about american foreign policy outside of "we support israel... saddam bad!... US good!.. they hate us because we're free!" Bush told us to listen to what Bin Laden has said... that he wants to establish a califate... Bush keeps repeating that. Of course, he really wanted you to listen to what HE said Bin Laden said. If you actually listened to what Bin Laden said, you would notice he also said.. that whole califate thing was just window dressing to recruit angry young muslims to fight america. He also said the thing that radicalized him was the building of US bases in Saudi Arabia.. his home country.

Ron Paul won't even have a prayer at the nomination because he is showing us all what utter bullshit this nation's political party(thought by many to be two parties) and everything it has to say to us about how our nation is run is.
aboutleaving
5/26/2007 11:20:00 AM
Ron Paul won't even have a prayer at the nomination because he is showing us all what utter bullshit this nation's political party(thought by many to be two parties) and everything it has to say to us about how our nation is run is.

Sad but true I think. Hopefully not, but the media attacks him for talking common sense. Maybe just Fox News, but Fox News is popular.