Education System 21 replies, 9158 views

I am better than you
10/20/2006 5:01:00 PM
So the educational system is a joke these days and kids just don't have the basic skills to function anymore (for the most part).

What do you guys think of this? I know a lot of people outside of the US think that our shitty system was implemented so that the new generations would be easier to control with media and what not. To hear kids constantly saying and believing the same trash over and over each day really makes me start to believe this more.

Discuss.
Toilet Fleet
10/20/2006 5:26:00 PM
Proposal: meritocratic primary and secondary schools and increased centralization of school districts. Increased centralization creates for specialized schools for both the gifted and the challenged, so neither are shortchanged or lost in the shuffle. That way, the large middle ground population can focus on the core of their curriculum, avoiding the inevitable dumbing-down of classwork.
crunkmoose
10/20/2006 5:56:00 PM
^hmm... not a bad idea, really... but I would say keep them in the same schools... just divide their classes. This is what was done when I was in school... basic, regular, advanced. I took one year of regular english in HS after it was folded together with basic... and guess what... standards dropped horribly. After that year I went to the AP classes. Unbelievably different. Hell, in that class we were expected to write a two page paper about a book in class (50 minutes) in ink every couple weeks rather than having any real "tests" or much in the way of homework. I don't know where I would have been had it not been for that class, but it prepared me more for college and for life than any other class I ever took in school.
thevengenceaz
10/20/2006 6:44:00 PM
arizona republic front page headline yesterday "arizona: dumbest in country"


that's comforting
green bastard
10/20/2006 7:42:00 PM
Originally posted by:Now Or Never

Our education system is a joke. I had maybe three classes my entire high school career that weren't trash. It's a shame that really bright kids are subjected to some of the worst education the industrial world has to offer.

I think the worst thing the school systems do for bright kids is create terrible study habits for them. When they don't have to study for anything and still get A's in all the classes, something is wrong. And all that does is set them up to get fucked over in college where they actually need study skills in more advanced courses. Easy high school programs deny them that.
JGalt
10/20/2006 10:45:00 PM
I do not understand politicians who only point at their monetary inputs into the school system as proof of their accomplishments. Too many politicians fail to look at the outputs of our system and continue to make the same mistakes. I think we should implement a school choice. It seems like a good compromise for those that want privitazation and those that want govt. schools. It would at least implement some sense of competition into our system.
Shit.
10/21/2006 12:41:00 AM
I took honors classes all through highschool and slept at least 3/4ths of the time I was in class. After all this I managed to get a B average. Thats how shitty our schools are.
I am better than you
10/21/2006 2:01:00 AM
So what does everyone think of the idea that this is a key idea by our government to keep the majority dumb so that the media can easily control them? This way they are groomed into their complete apathy and have no reason to question anything because they simply do not think beyond that.
Kadesh
10/21/2006 4:57:00 AM
Every so often one of these threads pops up. The education system gets to much money and they're still trying to milk us for more by making us think we're starving the minds of america.

Regarding education in itself, teachers need to not be so super sensitive and just teach the kids, give them homework, make them sweat. It's the best way to learn. I don't know if that has to do with the topic but whatever.
aboutleaving
10/21/2006 10:05:00 AM
^ Well I think we can all say with a decent level of confidence that with matt. in charge of education, America would be a much better place.

His radical reforms may be poo-pooed at first, but not for long. Once people see that teachers are insensitive, they will be out on the streets, shouting for joy as their kids run out of school (all with great grades) joining their parents to praise matt.
crunkmoose
10/21/2006 10:47:00 AM
"The education system gets to much money and they're still trying to milk us for more by making us think we're starving the minds of america. "

You, sir, are absolute and irrefutable proof that your statement is wholly incorrect.
crunkmoose
10/21/2006 11:42:00 AM
Finally... someone who agrees with Bloodwater... schools get too damned much money for unnecessary stuff.

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JGalt
10/21/2006 12:49:00 PM
Originally posted by:I am better than you

So what does everyone think of the idea that this is a key idea by our government to keep the majority dumb so that the media can easily control them? This way they are groomed into their complete apathy and have no reason to question anything because they simply do not think beyond that.

I think this is accurate. Many aspects of the govt. are around so the public becomes increasingly dependent on the govt. The govt. schools are no exception. They may not want to neccessarily "dumb" the students down, but they def. want to give their version of the facts to children. They want to be able to emphasize some aspects while completely ignoring other aspects of education.
Skulls-N-Bones
10/23/2006 9:05:00 PM
Originally posted by:I am better than you

So the educational system is a joke these days and kids just don't have the basic skills to function anymore (for the most part).

What do you guys think of this? I know a lot of people outside of the US think that our shitty system was implemented so that the new generations would be easier to control with media and what not. To hear kids constantly saying and believing the same trash over and over each day really makes me start to believe this more.

Discuss.

Yea it is quite sad that nobody knows the basics of common sense anymore, or even the basics of math it seems like everyone is pulling out their calculators to add somthing so simple as 5+2.
crunkmoose
10/23/2006 9:16:00 PM
^Thats what.. like 8 or something?
green bastard
10/23/2006 10:20:00 PM
Originally posted by:crunkmoose

^Thats what.. like 8 or something?


That's wrong...but you'll still get a purple star becuase red checkmarks are bad for a child's self-esteem. You'd also get a gold star on the front even though you failed because all the other kids got one too and we wouldn't want you to feel different.
nick bender
10/24/2006 11:22:00 AM
Originally posted by: green bastard

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

^Thats what.. like 8 or something?


That's wrong...but you'll still get a purple star becuase red checkmarks are bad for a child's self-esteem. You'd also get a gold star on the front even though you failed because all the other kids got one too and we wouldn't want you to feel different.

true.
I am better than you
10/24/2006 5:50:00 PM
i've seen kids do much worse than that with a calculator and in high school
1X8
5/1
1-1
2/2
crunkmoose
10/24/2006 6:26:00 PM
Well, I used a calculator in highschool, and didn't learn at least one thing because of it (my fault, not the teacher's)... but that was using two sides and an angle or two angles and a side to find out the missing info for a triangle... not something that is actually just basic. I did, and always have sucked at advanced math, but I was good at everything else.
aboutleaving
10/25/2006 8:49:00 AM
^ I'd remember how to do trigonometry if they had told us what SIN/COS/TAN etc. meant, rather than just being made to write down the order of what we have to press on the calculator (which lacks meaning, and therefore I don't remember that either).

Luckily, I haven't needed to use trigonometry since then.
crunkmoose
10/25/2006 3:45:00 PM
^Exactly... if you are going into a career where you will EVER need to know how to figure sine cosine or tangent then you would definitely be taking higher math courses that would teach you things like that.

At the same time, I do believe there is a whole lot more we should be teaching our children.
mizmegan
10/25/2006 3:51:00 PM
I am currently an elementary education in school. There is still hope! I feel that the program I'm in here in St. Louis has some good folks preparing the teachers that are coming out of my school. I think the secret to good teaching is just giving a shit about the kids and if they really learn all you can possibly teach them, or if they just scoot by. Teachers have to be on their game, be creative, and also very keen observers of what the kids are getting and not getting. I hope I can accomplish these things, because it's quite a tall order. There's a ton of pressure attached to being an effective teacher. I don't think that being obsessed w/ how students do on assessment tests is the way to go.