Penn State gets Sandusky'd ››
John Barlow @ July 23, 2012 3:20 PM
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Originally posted by: pudgeOriginally posted by: John Barlow
Exactly my point, however, who / what / where / how do you punish? All ears.
Sometimes there is no justice.
You can send Sandusky to prison for the rest of his life, which, even if he isn't shanked, will be at best, 20 years. Paterno is dead, he can't be punished, only his legacy erased, which serves no purpose in making any kind of amends.
That's really it. Is it enough? No. But then again, what will be? You can't replace the stolen innocence of Sandusky's victims.
Perhaps punishment isn't the answer. Acknowledgement of Paterno's failure instead of burying him and pretending he didn't exist. Or how about giving Sandusky's victims the tools they need to move beyond the abuse? You know, it bothers the hell out of me that we tell people who have been sexually abused that their soul has been murdered and they will be scarred and emotionally crippled for life. Kids can survive some pretty horrific things- abuse, injury, cancer and other life-threatening illnesses, why, then, do we think it's impossible for them to survive being molested? People do all the time. It doesn't lessen the severity of the act but enough with the melodramatic cries of soul murder. People who survive rape and abuse have some of the strongest souls ever. Can we focus on that instead of enacting a scorched earth vengeance against an entire university, faculty, and student body, the vast majority of which had nothing to do with what occurred?
To speak less of molestation and refuse to define it as soul murder is what I find offensive. I want nothing more than for the victims to grow strong and recover - whatever that takes for them personally. I'm not saying a rape victim dies with their injury, I'm saying it is a long road to resurrection.
yolohomo @ July 23, 2012 3:30 PM
Originally posted by: John BarlowOriginally posted by: babydaddyOriginally posted by: John Barlow
I honestly don't equate anyone here to the brainless fucknerds I've seen posting on Facebook. I guess my outrage was driven by the fact that the victim's tragedy was a punch line from the start whereas people seem to be more concerned about PSU's community now that the sanctions have been drawn.
thats a valid statement, but all these things are being dished out because of Sandusky and what we all now know actually happened. So the topic is not being taken from the victims, but its just more fall out and in ways its victimizing others. Basically guilty by association. Like the guy a few posts back said, it's like a giant grenade and there is tons of shrapnel to go around.
Well, the same could be said for the Catholic community during the sex abuse scandal in the nineties and beyond. The only difference is, the church didn't have a winning football team, a coach that everyone liked, and a mascot that shot tee shirts into the congregation. There is fallout as a result of abominations like this. Get over it. First world horse shit. Tell your story to an adolescent Nigerian with AIDS or a Kosovar-Albanian who watched his parents slaughtered. I'm sure they'll give you a cookie.
that's also a fair statement. I don't want to sound like a cold hearted individual either but that's life. There are people who always have it worse and atrocities are committed everyday.
Sure children being fed drugs and taught to kill/rape for Warlords in the Congo are victims too. I follow your points and you are very right. As I read your comment about the Catholic church a guy behind me was making the same argument.
John Barlow @ July 23, 2012 3:48 PM
As far as I'm concerned, any invasion or personal space for intended and genuine sexual pleasure is rape. Male or female.
Dianana @ July 23, 2012 4:24 PM
Originally posted by: babydaddy
I don't know if this is just me. But does anyone else notice that in cases of sexual abuse, if you're talking about a male it's molestation. If you're speaking of a female its rape?
or do they just generalize everything into molestation?
I've noticed that they use "molestation" when it comes to children and "rape" for females 12 and older.
This morning I was surprised to hear one of NBC10's news anchors say that one of those Catholic priests "raped a child."
The problem with these two words is that rape means penetration happened against someone's will and molestation is unwanted touching. I think people get uncomfortable when they hear a child was raped, like it's somehow easier to hear that they were molested. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that but that's my take on it because Sandusky and tons of disgusting priests definitely raped kids and all you're hearing is the word "molestation" being thrown around..
cbrickhouse @ July 23, 2012 4:29 PM
Originally posted by: BRYANA
Most of the sanctions are whatever to me but I legitimately don't understand/agree with the loss of scholarships.
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John Barlow @ July 23, 2012 4:38 PM
Originally posted by: Dianana
The word "rape" has been feminized, that might have something to do with it.
I think it's more appropriate to say it has been euphemized to make it easier to hear - much like how post traumatic stress disorder is no longer battle fatigue or shell shock.
Matti Frost @ July 23, 2012 6:28 PM
Originally posted by: John BarlowOriginally posted by: pudgeOriginally posted by: John Barlow
Exactly my point, however, who / what / where / how do you punish? All ears.
Sometimes there is no justice.
You can send Sandusky to prison for the rest of his life, which, even if he isn't shanked, will be at best, 20 years. Paterno is dead, he can't be punished, only his legacy erased, which serves no purpose in making any kind of amends.
That's really it. Is it enough? No. But then again, what will be? You can't replace the stolen innocence of Sandusky's victims.
Perhaps punishment isn't the answer. Acknowledgement of Paterno's failure instead of burying him and pretending he didn't exist. Or how about giving Sandusky's victims the tools they need to move beyond the abuse? You know, it bothers the hell out of me that we tell people who have been sexually abused that their soul has been murdered and they will be scarred and emotionally crippled for life. Kids can survive some pretty horrific things- abuse, injury, cancer and other life-threatening illnesses, why, then, do we think it's impossible for them to survive being molested? People do all the time. It doesn't lessen the severity of the act but enough with the melodramatic cries of soul murder. People who survive rape and abuse have some of the strongest souls ever. Can we focus on that instead of enacting a scorched earth vengeance against an entire university, faculty, and student body, the vast majority of which had nothing to do with what occurred?
To speak less of molestation and refuse to define it as soul murder is what I find offensive. I want nothing more than for the victims to grow strong and recover - whatever that takes for them personally. I'm not saying a rape victim dies with their injury, I'm saying it is a long road to resurrection.
Soul murder implies there's no recovery, That does a disservice to those victims who become survivors.
John Barlow @ July 23, 2012 6:38 PM
Originally posted by: pudge
Soul murder implies there's no recovery
And for many that is the unfortunate truth. I don't like it. I hate it; but I call it like I see it.
Jason Voorheees @ July 23, 2012 8:21 PM
Penn State Slores React to NCAA Ruling With Shock, Horror 
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sunflower @ July 23, 2012 9:18 PM
all the players on this team can transfer anywhere and play the next year. i don't understand what all the fuss is still about? it's not like they said "no bowl games so we can help the victims get over this". they took away the postseason play, scholarships, fined the program, took away the wins because the sheer lack of institutional control that allowed sandusky to coach there (and his defense, and ability to coach that defense there lead to a lot of wins for penn state) after he had already raped young boys. this is like the death penalty SMU got but at least with SMU their scheme didn't involved sexually molesting children.
sunflower @ July 23, 2012 9:21 PM
basically: if the program shows such blatant disregard for humanity, morals, or rules in order to perpetuate it's success in one way or another, that program deserves a severe punishment which will discourage other programs from disobeying and straying from the definition of a controlled institute by NCAA standards.
