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a national acrobat @ August 27, 2007 1:51 AM
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chances are you don't even know in what way the speakers are held in your cabinet versus an avatar cabinet. there are so many things that are essential to the way them pieces of wood are just slapped together it's not even funny. i suppose you think a good pickup doesnt exist as well?
Big Kyle @ August 28, 2007 1:34 AM
I understand that simply slapping wood together would be the understatement of the century with a closed back cab. However, that's why I said purchase an empty cab or one that is cheap and replace the speakers with the same speakers the high end cabs use. It's a much more cost effective way to get the same(or nearly the same) sound. A prime example would be Krank cabs. They are $1000. Either cabinet(the regular or Dime model) uses Eminence speakers that are at most $100 a piece. So you are paying $600 for lumber, wires, a jack plate, and grill. Doesn't make sense to me.
Nicholas Steinborn @ August 28, 2007 4:22 AM
Originally posted by:Big Kyle
I understand that simply slapping wood together would be the understatement of the century with a closed back cab. However, that's why I said purchase an empty cab or one that is cheap and replace the speakers with the same speakers the high end cabs use. It's a much more cost effective way to get the same(or nearly the same) sound. A prime example would be Krank cabs. They are $1000. Either cabinet(the regular or Dime model) uses Eminence speakers that are at most $100 a piece. So you are paying $600 for lumber, wires, a jack plate, and grill. Doesn't make sense to me.
That's like suggesting the car you drive is only worth a couple hundred bucks in materials.
R&D is a long process of trial and error in order to find the "right" formula for the sound you want. You are paying for the name, advertising, R&D, production, distribution, etc.
a national acrobat @ August 28, 2007 3:34 PM
Originally posted by:Big Kyle
I understand that simply slapping wood together would be the understatement of the century with a closed back cab. However, that's why I said purchase an empty cab or one that is cheap and replace the speakers with the same speakers the high end cabs use. It's a much more cost effective way to get the same(or nearly the same) sound. A prime example would be Krank cabs. They are $1000. Either cabinet(the regular or Dime model) uses Eminence speakers that are at most $100 a piece. So you are paying $600 for lumber, wires, a jack plate, and grill. Doesn't make sense to me.
so you're trying to tell me that there's no difference between Eminence speakers and Celestions?
boy you need to get your ears checked
a national acrobat @ August 28, 2007 3:37 PM
also different wood produces different sound, you pay for quality or all your parts, and that makes an expensive but worthwhile cabinet.if you're a turd waiting to be flushed, sure, save a couple bucks, but if you're looking for a good sound, you pay for what you get.
a national acrobat @ August 28, 2007 3:53 PM
perfect example... this isn't meant to knock anything or anyone involved but here it is.my cabinets are 1967 sunn 412srs, loaded with 7 of the 8 original 40 watt metal coned tranducer speakers, one was dead when i got it and i replaced it with a 50 watt Eminence Cannibus Rex speaker fresh out of the box. the other two cabinets we were using were two of the lower end marshall cabinets with silverbacked 25watt celestions. the sound that comes out of those Sunn towers compared to that Marshall blows it all away. it did it with my mesa, the peavey that was hooked up to it and my Model T as well. there's no way to talk a good cabinet out of it's worth.
Big Kyle @ August 29, 2007 2:49 AM
Originally posted by:RyanX
so you're trying to tell me that there's no difference between Eminence speakers and Celestions?
boy you need to get your ears checked
I didn't say that at all. Of course there is a big difference. The Krank cabinets I was using as an example use Emminence speakers(Texas Heat or something like that in the Dime cab and the Vintage 12 in the other). I'm not completely sure of the exact name for both at the moment and I don't feel like looking. As far as the other posts go ... I know R&D is a big deal and different wood has different sound characters. It's extremely easy to find out exactly what type of wood they use and how the cabinets are put together. I'm not spending tons of money on a cab when I can easily build it(or buy a lesser brand of good quality) for next to nothing when compared to the cost of having that name brand slapped on it. If you use the same materials, measurements, and speakers there should be no reason it would sound any different.
chris_curses @ August 29, 2007 12:30 PM
92 Mesa Boogie Dual Rec (R0050)
Marshall 1960 AV Cab
Gibson SG Standard (Natural Burst)
MIJ Tokai Love Rock
a national acrobat @ August 30, 2007 12:58 PM
nice setup man.i just picked up a super good deal last night on a 215. once i get it situated i'll post some after pics.
cab is about 1968/69 sunn 215 rear loaded horn baffle cab loaded with 2 altec lansing cast frame speakers. reading up on the speakers, they are absolute top of the line, better than JBL's.
dude gave me the cab, a vintage tung sol 6550, and two old american made 6550's for 150 bucks.
i rule.
a national acrobat @ September 1, 2007 12:19 PM
im waiting for money to roll in so i can buld a mesa sunn hybrid rack thing to a/b with my model t.also looking to get another model t and maybe some little things along the way
