i thought space jockeys was a term for colonial marines. not an alien race.

The "Space Jockey" was the name given by fans to the fossilized alien they found on the crashed ship in the first Alien film. Since no information was given on who/what/why/how it got there in any of the films it became a major point of speculation among fans.

Maybe this is a stupid question and I just saw the film so I haven't really had a chance to give it too much thought yet, and maybe it has already been answered somewhere in this thread, but: how does Holloway begin morphing into a humanoid after ingesting the black liquid, but he has sex with Shaw and impregnates her with a humanoid/alien offspring and she cuts this thing out of her stomach and after that is completely unaffected by it? A dab of the black ink shit morphs Holloway into a humanoid creature, she has a creature INSIDE OF HER STOMACH and nothing happens to her after she removes it? I don't get it.

Further to that, the offspring from Shaw is some fucked up alien thing, not a humanoid. Was Holloway infected with alien DNA or humanoid DNA? Because as his body began to change he looked more humanoid-ish to me.

Forgive me if these are silly questions, I'm not fanatical about the Alien series or anything.

Your questions are not silly - the movie was full of weird plotlines, and although I really liked it, I won't defend the holes.

I hope the extra 30 minutes somehow explains some of that. The point in the film where that shit goes down is where you can tell a lot is missing.

Originally posted by: -Jeremy-

Maybe this is a stupid question and I just saw the film so I haven't really had a chance to give it too much thought yet, and maybe it has already been answered somewhere in this thread, but: how does Holloway begin morphing into a humanoid after ingesting the black liquid, but he has sex with Shaw and impregnates her with a humanoid/alien offspring and she cuts this thing out of her stomach and after that is completely unaffected by it? A dab of the black ink shit morphs Holloway into a humanoid creature, she has a creature INSIDE OF HER STOMACH and nothing happens to her after she removes it? I don't get it.

Further to that, the offspring from Shaw is some fucked up alien thing, not a humanoid. Was Holloway infected with alien DNA or humanoid DNA? Because as his body began to change he looked more humanoid-ish to me.

Forgive me if these are silly questions, I'm not fanatical about the Alien series or anything.

Nothing happened to Shaw because the Black Stuff is engineered to work with a living specimen that has a reproductive system like ours. This was the infect DNA is carried into the womb and not sent anywhere else into the body. Kind of like how a baby is protected from certain stuff the mother is exposed to while pregnant...only in reverse. I'm sure if she had gotten a bit of the infected DNA inside of her, somewhere not into her womb, she would have been super sick and eventually died. This also tells us that Holloway hits it raw; MY NIGGA. Shaw would get the business from my non-xeno sperm.

Tommy said it best though, there is probably tons of amazing shit cut from the film around that part.

Finally saw it. I like it.

The bluray deleted scenes don't really explain a whole lot. There are a couple scenes which would have helped smooth the story but most of them are just expository dialogue which wouldn't have effected the final product. The commentator on the deleted scenes seems to be just as dumbfounded as many of the viewers were.

I got the 3D/Blu/DVD/Digi combo joint and it came with like 7 hours of bonus shit. Most of it was a documentary about the making of the movie, but it explained a LOT about the thought process behind why they did what they did in certain scenes. There are also alternate version of some of the scenes that I think would have changed the entire vibe of the film.

Definitely worth checking out if you have a 3D joint. The regular bluray might come with the same features, but I know the DVD doesn't.

Originally posted by: Maryland Matt

I got the 3D/Blu/DVD/Digi combo joint and it came with like 7 hours of bonus shit. Most of it was a documentary about the making of the movie, but it explained a LOT about the thought process behind why they did what they did in certain scenes. There are also alternate version of some of the scenes that I think would have changed the entire vibe of the film.

Definitely worth checking out if you have a 3D joint. The regular bluray might come with the same features, but I know the DVD doesn't.

same. I thought it was all pretty interesting. I was also surprised to see that the original cut was even more religious than what they released.

just watched this again, and my first thought was, why the hell didn't they just film the sequel at the same time like everyone else does these days? now we may not get one at all.

other observations:

are we to believe that 3.5 billion years ago, that alien dude came to earth, drank that shit that disintegrated him, and started life here, but they only got around to wanting to kill us off 2,000 years ago with the bioweapon? i'm with naomi rapace on this, why? or more specifically, why bother?

also, how does any of this jive with the predator timeline, esp in avp and that pyrmid in antarctica? or does it?

ridley scott has said there was nothing cut out of the film [disappointment, because it could use a few things put back in], but then this still surfaced:



so... was it take-your-dad-to-work day in alien land? or was old dude just using young dude for the experiment? was young dude getting sandusky'd? i need to know.

this film is very gray, even the aliens are gray. color scale is not the most important thing in the world, but this one has as decidedly gray a grayscale as you can get, as opposed to say something like csi miami's almost cartoonishly bright coloring. it definitely lends itself to the cold [but not frozen] grimness of the film, a visual allegory to lifelessness, i guess.

the film actually doesn't answer a lot of questions from the previous alien films, although it seems the sequel might have. it is basically just the addition of the engineers characters and their agency in the saga, but it remains oblique, while looking great. it is most comparable to the first film, being more esoteric and having an amazing cast of a-list talent, and yet doesn't do a whole lot with them storywise. i fully expected a 3 hour director's cut version with tons of explanatory dialogue, but such is apparently not the case. as it stands, this ranks below alien1, and maybe below alien3, but i'll have to rewatch that one to know for sure. i still like it, but it just feels incomplete, and not in the "it was so great i wanted more" way, just incomplete.

also, i'm guessing tony scott's killing himself may have permanently shelved a sequel as i understand the brothers were very close. will probably affect ridley scott's output in general for a few years.

The time that they were slated to come back to Earth to kill us off is right around the time that Christ was crucified. Seeing how there were a ton of religious implications in this film, I bet this will be addressed in the sequel.

The Predator time line is kind of off a bit with this though, especially with the AvP films.