global warming is happening, it's just not happening at the rate many people believe ... our generation ( and many generations after us ) will be long gone before shits starts getting any more serious than a silly split in a glacier.

Originally posted by:LordLuvKnuckle

Al Gore is the Biggest MotherFucker ever. His wife started the PMAC.

These to just have to get into peoples business, exploit it, point fingers, Argue that they are "Right" or " Moral" then make tons of money off of the Result.

Is carbon not good for the Earth? Probably not when it is Perpetuated by us, but Carbon is necessary for the Earths and our survival.
Are we contribution to the speeding up of this? Maybe but there are a lot of other things involved to think it is just us.

Is GlobalGuilt a Money making scheme. Most Definitley.

Are we gonna pay for it? In more ways than we could ever imagine. Start stocking your shelfs. I feel in the next 15-30 years. this country is gonna be a wasteland.

The only point I would really have a problem with is how much we are or may in the future be contributing. Think of how much of the earth we have paved or built buildings on top of. Think of how many of the trees that were once on this planet we have cut down.

That actually is what the taxes and fines are for

Don't see the correlation between funding for alternative energy and living standards is.

Originally posted by:LordLuvKnuckle

Originally posted by: yantastic

Don't see the correlation between funding for alternative energy and living standards is.

then you are a fucking retard.

or you're just not very good at making that correlation.

That was an opportunity for you to clarify, not provide emphasis for not knowing dick. Try to catch that next time.

the problem is that things don't really get moving until money gets involved. all these taxes and fines realistically don't have a good return in terms of actually helping the situation but it at least sets up the infrastructure so that something can happen. just like most anything when government becomes involved its a slow painful flawed process.

Originally posted by: JFick

Originally posted by:adam.

it's not a binary issue.

too bad no one on the "anti" side can see that. scientific ethics aside, it doesn't matter a tiny bit whether or not climate change functions exactly the way people have said it does - in fact, after a certain point it doesn't even matter if it is caused by humans (though anyone with a brain can see that we at least exacerbate the natural process). the point is that the ice caps continue to melt - whether or not you think you've had a "gotcha" moment because it isn't 85 degrees in january - and the continually unsustainable population growth will continue to level every tree, pump too much shit into the air, overfish the oceans, and turn arable land into cattle grazing land.

i shouldn't have even replied - to those for whom capitalism is a religion, none of that will ever matter or even make sense.

According to both the geologic and fossil record, the ice caps have melted before, but I doubt that anyone cares. As for overpopulation, just study history and you'll realize it won't be a problem for much longer.

this is the response i thought i would receive.

1) you're right; no one cares. that the ice caps melted before humans existed is meaningless.

2) you're right to a certain extent. yes, the population will reach a certain point before competition for resources causes die offs, whether from war, malnutrition, or something else. however, i'm not such a pessimist that i think it SHOULD be that way.

in any case, "studying history" has nothing to do with it. the current population and current growth patterns stand outside of historical growth. look at the global population over the last 100 years compared to all of recorded human history.

How is a State going to enforce carbon laws (the existence of which are insane and anyone who even gets a sympathetic feeling at the thought of it should be shot on sight) without a massive industrial military machine and intelligence apparatus?

Oh, right, it isnt...theyre going to destroy the earth to make weapons so they can be convincing when they tell people their actions are harming the earth

Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
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Anti-climate cult crusader calls for world to rise up against communistic killers behind global warming fraud

Paul Joseph Watson
Propaganda Matrix
Saturday, November 28, 2009

Appearing on The Alex Jones Show yesterday, Lord Christopher Monckton went further than ever before in his vehement opposition to the elitists running the climate change scam, calling for the UN to be shut down and for fraudulent peddlers of global warming propaganda like Al Gore to be arrested and criminally prosecuted.

Monckton said that those who are threatening to shut down economies, bankrupt nations, and deepen the problems of the third world by implementing draconian policies in the name of global warming should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned "for a very long time".

"The fraudsters and racketeers from Al Gore to the people at the University of East Anglia who have been making their fortune at the expense of taxpayers and the little guy," should be criminally charged, said Monckton, in response to the climategate scandal.

"We the people have got to rise up worldwide, found a party in every country which stands for freedom and make sure we fight this bureaucratic communistic world government monster to a standstill - they shall not pass," he added.

Monckton said that the United Nations should be "closed down," adding that he talked to a senior UN ambassador in Canada who told him that he no longer saw any purpose in the UN and it exists "only to enrich itself at the expense of the nations it claims to serve, it's time it was brought to an end."

"We would all save billions if we shut down the UN and just about all of its hideous bureaucracy," said Monckton.

Lord Monckton emphasized how the emails released as a result of climategate prove that global warming alarmism was still prevalent in public but behind closed doors, warmist scientist are admitting that the "deniers" as they label people like Monckton are correct.

"Publicly they're saying the science is settled, we're all doomed unless you close down the economies of the west, whereas privately they're saying to each other 'we've got it wrong, none of this adds up and it's a travesty that we can't explain it'."

Monckton also slammed Obama's science czar John P. Holdren, who in his 1977 book Ecoscience called for draconian population measures to be enforced by a "planetary regime" in the name of saving the earth, as an "openly admitted communist".

Monckton pointed out how Holdren had been once of the most prominent alarmists in the 70's warning about the onset of rapid "global cooling".

"Now with seamless mendacity he says that what we're now facing is global warming," said Monckton.

"How can anyone like Holdren stand up with a straight face and expect anyone to believe it," he added.

Monckton said that the agenda behind the global warming movement was to set up a communistic world government which will be run by people who "do not care how many people they kill with their policies" and that their goal is to "do away with democracy forever by stealth using the excuse to save the planet."

Monckton said that the people running the scam had a "deliberate desire to control population by killing people in large numbers deliberately if necessary."

The former advisor to Margaret Thatcher said that the warmists were sounding more and more desperate and knew that they had been rumbled as a result of climategate, which would only make it more urgent for them to try and force through a binding treaty in Copenhagen.

Monckton said that the answer to combating the move towards neo-feudalism and global government was to form a worldwide "freedom party" that would operate nationally in every country in order to defend freedom, democracy and prosperity while routing out every aspect of the communistic takeover.

"Every time these people try to take it away, we in the freedom party will stop them, and I think now is the time," said Monckton.

Shouldn't you and your other 3 friends be planning your resistance to the New World Order instead of posting on the internet?

You are wasting valuable time from digging your bomb-shelter and filling your safe with precious metals.

HAHAHAHA!!!1

Resistance--bwahahaha.

How are you going to protect yourself?? --Sticks?

How will you escape from their custody when they come for you to skin-tag you? -- Skateboard?

Resistance-- Fucking priceless!!

it's sad that you don't think that you and other people are free and autonomous life forms

Mad respect for Monckton.