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May 22 2007 6:04 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Death by Veganism
By NINA PLANCK


WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty.

This particular calamity - at least the third such conviction of vegan parents in four years - may be largely due to ignorance. But it should prompt frank discussion about nutrition.

I was once a vegan. But well before I became pregnant, I concluded that a vegan pregnancy was irresponsible. You cannot create and nourish a robust baby merely on foods from plants.

Indigenous cuisines offer clues about what humans, naturally omnivorous, need to survive, reproduce and grow: traditional vegetarian diets, as in India, invariably include dairy and eggs for complete protein, essential fats and vitamins. There are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run.

Protein deficiency is one danger of a vegan diet for babies. Nutritionists used to speak of proteins as "first class" (from meat, fish, eggs and milk) and "second class" (from plants), but today this is considered denigrating to vegetarians.

The fact remains, though, that humans prefer animal proteins and fats to cereals and tubers, because they contain all the essential amino acids needed for life in the right ratio. This is not true of plant proteins, which are inferior in quantity and quality - even soy.

A vegan diet may lack vitamin B12, found only in animal foods; usable vitamins A and D, found in meat, fish, eggs and butter; and necessary minerals like calcium and zinc. When babies are deprived of all these nutrients, they will suffer from retarded growth, rickets and nerve damage.

Responsible vegan parents know that breast milk is ideal. It contains many necessary components, including cholesterol (which babies use to make nerve cells) and countless immune and growth factors. When breastfeeding isn't possible, soy milk and fruit juice, even in seemingly sufficient quantities, are not safe substitutes for a quality infant formula.

Yet even a breast-fed baby is at risk. Studies show that vegan breast milk lacks enough docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, the omega-3 fat found in fatty fish. It is difficult to overstate the importance of DHA, vital as it is for eye and brain development.

A vegan diet is equally dangerous for weaned babies and toddlers, who need plenty of protein and calcium. Too often, vegans turn to soy, which actually inhibits growth and reduces absorption of protein and minerals. That's why health officials in Britain, Canada and other countries express caution about soy for babies. (Not here, though - perhaps because our farm policy is so soy-friendly.)

Historically, diet honored tradition: we ate the foods that our mothers, and their mothers, ate. Now, your neighbor or sibling may be a meat-eater or vegetarian, may ferment his foods or eat them raw. This fragmentation of the American menu reflects admirable diversity and tolerance, but food is more important than fashion. Though it's not politically correct to say so, all diets are not created equal.

An adult who was well-nourished in utero and in infancy may choose to get by on a vegan diet, but babies are built from protein, calcium, cholesterol and fish oil. Children fed only plants will not get the precious things they need to live and grow.

Nina Planck is the author of "Real Food: What to Eat and Why."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html?ex=1337400000&en=3287884b913bd4bc&ei=5124&partner=facebook&exprod=facebookclick here for link
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May 22 2007 6:13 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
ive got this girl i work with that only feeds her dog vegan dogfood, she got mad cause it ate a rat or something and shit itself on her floor. what a miserable existence for a dog. i feel so bad for it.
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May 22 2007 6:33 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Reference for Vegan Pregnancy

a lot of the information in this article is based on unfounded evidence and cultural norms that insinuate animal based diets are natural when it is easy to argue otherwise.

This website has everything you need to know about rearing a child as a vegan (from a woman who has done it several times). It is not difficult if you're not an idiot. The people in this article were obviously faulty parents regardless of whether or not they were vegans. That is inarguable.
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May 22 2007 9:04 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:Metal til Im sixty

Reference for Vegan Pregnancy

a lot of the information in this article is based on unfounded evidence and cultural norms that insinuate animal based diets are natural when it is easy to argue otherwise.

This website has everything you need to know about rearing a child as a vegan (from a woman who has done it several times). It is not difficult if you're not an idiot. The people in this article were obviously faulty parents regardless of whether or not they were vegans. That is inarguable.

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May 22 2007 9:11 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
for the record I wasn't implying that you're going to fuck your kids up if you're vegan. just giving a heads up to all the vegan hardcore mommies out there
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May 22 2007 9:12 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
humyns?
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May 22 2007 10:05 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: sup sluts

for the record I wasn't implying that you're going to fuck your kids up if you're vegan. just giving a heads up to all the vegan hardcore mommies out there


reasonable enough. I'd hope that most people understood that without two retards killing their children. Sucky situation.
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May 22 2007 11:48 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Tarzan

humyns?

and that feminist spelling bullshit has officially gone too far
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May 23 2007 11:17 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Tarzan

humyns?



why do people have to go mess around with perfectly good words.
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May 30 2007 8:43 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
The story doesn't have anything to do with veganism, really. You aren't supposed to feed babies soy milk because it doesn't have sufficient calories, iron, or fat that babies require. And it says right on soy milk cartons "NOT TO BE USED AS INFANT FORMULA". But the same thing could be said about cow's milk.. if you fed a baby cow's milk they would die too. Babies should ideally be breast fed, but if that's not an option, then they need formula. The parents in that article are idiots, but I'm sure lots of non-vegan parents have risked their child's health, by giving them things babies shouldn't eat.

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May 31 2007 8:18 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
I couldn't have said it better myself Davey. It's a shame that they have to put stupid warning on all kinds of products so that knuckleheads like that don't misuse the product and sue.
My grandfather grew up in a family with 15 kids, back then alot of the families had over 10 kids. One of them ended up feeding the baby corn, and he died. I don't think the whole population should stop eating corn from this. It's just a tragic thing that happened. Babies can't eat corn, it blocks everything up inside them.
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May 31 2007 8:29 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:Hero

mothers should breast feeds their children, thats why the have breasts in the first place. breastfeeding is vegan.
but when the breastmilk runs dry, instead of switching over to cows milk (which is breastmilk for a calf not a humyn), humyns can use soymilk, almond milk, etc. if they choose to.
and if the humyn mother is unable or unwilling to breastfeed, then she shouldnt be having a kid in the first place. humyns need to stop procreating.

plant proteins are not inferior. the human body can produce its own amino acids, only 8 cant be formed in the human body and all can be derived from plant sources.

B12 is not just found in animal foods, it is a bacteria that can be found in an organic plant based diet. or it can be synthesized and fortified in vegan foods if vegans prefer to eat processed imitation products such as soymilk.

vitamin D = from sun
vitamin A= beta-carotene which can be found in plant based
(Tomatoes,Cantaloupes,Watermelon,Peaches,,Kiwi,Oranges,Blackberries, ,,Sweet
potato, Kale, Carrots, Spinach, Avocado, Broccoli, Peas, Asparagus, Squash - summer,Green Pepper,
Pistachios, Chestnuts, Pumpkin Seeds, Pecans, Pine Nuts/Pignolias, Sunflower Seeds, Almonds,
Filberts/Hazelnut)

Calcium and Zinc can also be found in plant based diet as well. if you wish me to list the sources you can get these minerals from,let me know.

omega 3's can be found in walnuts, flaxseed, tofu, rapenuts, ALGAE, spirulina, chlorella


yes, most vegans do rely on soy too much. but there are many ways to eat a balanced vegan diet.
and I know plenty of very strong healthy vegans, including some who are parents and have raised very strong healthy children.

and as far as vegans who feed dogs vegan foods:

I do not believe in the domestication of animals. and dogs should eat what they naturally choose to eat, not some vegan food being shoved in their face. this means the animal should hunt, kill, and devour its meal.



who the fuck cares if plants have all the vitamins i need ... i like to slice open a pig ... rip out some ribs ... and barbecue the fucking hell out of them.

and just because i can



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June 1 2007 8:20 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:Tml Matus

Originally posted by:Hero

mothers should breast feeds their children, thats why the have breasts in the first place. breastfeeding is vegan.
but when the breastmilk runs dry, instead of switching over to cows milk (which is breastmilk for a calf not a humyn), humyns can use soymilk, almond milk, etc. if they choose to.
and if the humyn mother is unable or unwilling to breastfeed, then she shouldnt be having a kid in the first place. humyns need to stop procreating.

plant proteins are not inferior. the human body can produce its own amino acids, only 8 cant be formed in the human body and all can be derived from plant sources.

B12 is not just found in animal foods, it is a bacteria that can be found in an organic plant based diet. or it can be synthesized and fortified in vegan foods if vegans prefer to eat processed imitation products such as soymilk.

vitamin D = from sun
vitamin A= beta-carotene which can be found in plant based
(Tomatoes,Cantaloupes,Watermelon,Peaches,,Kiwi,Oranges,Blackberries, ,,Sweet
potato, Kale, Carrots, Spinach, Avocado, Broccoli, Peas, Asparagus, Squash - summer,Green Pepper,
Pistachios, Chestnuts, Pumpkin Seeds, Pecans, Pine Nuts/Pignolias, Sunflower Seeds, Almonds,
Filberts/Hazelnut)

Calcium and Zinc can also be found in plant based diet as well. if you wish me to list the sources you can get these minerals from,let me know.

omega 3's can be found in walnuts, flaxseed, tofu, rapenuts, ALGAE, spirulina, chlorella


yes, most vegans do rely on soy too much. but there are many ways to eat a balanced vegan diet.
and I know plenty of very strong healthy vegans, including some who are parents and have raised very strong healthy children.

and as far as vegans who feed dogs vegan foods:

I do not believe in the domestication of animals. and dogs should eat what they naturally choose to eat, not some vegan food being shoved in their face. this means the animal should hunt, kill, and devour its meal.



who the fuck cares if plants have all the vitamins i need ... i like to slice open a pig ... rip out some ribs ... and barbecue the fucking hell out of them.

and just because i can


yum



Wow you're so controversial. I can't even believe someone just posted meat and talked about killing animals in a vegan thread. I have never EVER seen that happen before.
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June 4 2007 8:55 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Yeah really, like anyone cares.
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