Originally posted by: Dwarn

"Even if our best secular scientific theories about the origins of the universe and the life within it are totally wrong they are structured in such a way that evidence will eventually prove them wrong, and lead towards something that is right. "

Mainstream science is wrong; real science is being ignored. Why is Albert Einstein so commonly known but his colleague Immanuel Velikovsky not known? Mainstream science is gate-kept science. University graduates are not permitted to become scientists unless they go along with the agenda and agree to dismiss the immense wealth of evidence of ancient alien intervention on this planet out of hand as crazy, conspiracy theory.

You mean they won't go through the initiation ceremonies of the ancient, holy order of Scientism to become card carrying Scientists... they will just be PhD. holders... not actual, inducted "Scientists"? Yeah, because there is such an organization and they will keep you from becoming a Scientist if you don't believe what they (who they are is left, of course, unclear) want you to believe.

If there were proof for God then it wouldn't be God. It would be a more advanced being, perhaps, or something more powerful and intelligent than we can fathom.

This is great to smoke a joint to and just watch, but the relevant piece is 6:30 in.



"During the second world war, American forces were sent to remote islands in the Pacific to build airfields and military installations. When the war was over, they went home, and a very curious thing happened. The natives of these islands, isolated from the outside world, lived virtually in the stone age until the Americans came and went. Very soon afterwards, the natives began making straw and bamboo fetishes resembling airplanes and crude landing sites on the islands to tempt their visitors back.

The strangers had brought fabulous treasures with them from the skies. Tools, fantastic weapons, sky machines they'd never dreamed of. What else but gods could possess such superior knowledge?"

chariots of the gods is fascinating, and parallels well with paganism. definitely worth watching.

Part of The Thing where Parker mentions Chariots of the Gods. jpg

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly complex could evolve purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing".
"But," says man, "the entire universe is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.

^Great Douglas Adams quote except "the entire universe" is not really what he said; he was talking about the Babel Fish, which, if you stick it in your ear, instantly translates all foreign language.

yeah it is not a direct quote I changed it to fit the argument.

Did anyone else notice that dwarn compared the father of modern physics with the creator of celestial mythology?

Originally posted by: yantastic

Did anyone else notice that dwarn compared the father of modern physics with the creator of celestial mythology?

Noticing the crazy in one particular thing Dwarn has to say is like noticing the stink of one particular pile of shit in a sewage tank.

Crazy? Once again: have you even READ any of Velikovsky's works???

Immanuel Velikovsky's work has been deliberately ignored by modern science! He demonstrated that the establishment's story of the Ice Age was false; he taught of a great planet-altering catastrophe of celestial origin resulting in a pole-shift, rather than gradual earth changes; this man should have been revered as a pioneer but was the victim of a total blackout by mainstream science.

From The Velikovskian:
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Did the mammoths live in Alaska and Siberia during the Ice Age? Pollen research emphatically denies this. Could the bones, tusks, and bodies of mammoths have been buried gradually and preserved in the tundra? Recent studies prove this could not have occurred. Did the poles of the Earth shift, and is there fundamental evidence to prove this? Yes! Plant geography presents solid support that the orientation of the poles was less oblique when the mammoths roamed the Arctic.

From Knowledge.co.uk:

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Immanuel Velikovsky in his 1950's book Worlds in Collision proposes that many myths and traditions of ancient peoples and cultures are based on actual events...

Hold on, let's repeat that last sentence: "Many myths and traditions of ancient peoples and cultures are based on actual events." But I guess that's considered "nutjob" territory, right crunkmoose? Right yan?...

...worldwide global catastrophes of a celestial origin, which had a profound effect on the lives, beliefs and writings of early mankind.

"Worlds in Collision is a book of wars in the celestial sphere that took place in historical times. In these wars the planet earth participated too. ... The historical-cosmological story of this book is based in the evidence of historical texts of many people around the globe, on classical literature, on epics of the northern races, on sacred books of the peoples of the Orient and Occident, on traditions and folklore of primitive peoples, on old astronomical inscriptions and charts, on archaeological finds, and also on geological and paleontological material." - Worlds In Collision, Preface.

After reaching the number 1 spot in the best-sellers list, Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision was banned from a number of academic institutions, and creating an unprecedented scientific debacle that became known as The Velikovsky Affair.

In 1956 Velikovsky wrote Earth in Upheaval to present conclusive geological evidence of terrestrial catastrophism.

"I have excluded from [these pages] all references to ancient literature, traditions, and folklore; and this I have done with intent, so that careless critics cannot decry the entire work as "tales and legends". Stones and bones are the only witness." - Earth in Upheaval, Preface.

Many scientists and historians have criticised Velikovsky's works over the years, unfortunately, many have done so inaccurately resulting in the public's misconception that Velikovsky was "completely proved wrong".

Books by Velikovsky:

Worlds in Collision (1950)
Ages in Chaos (1952)
Earth In Upheaval (1956)
Oedipus and Akhnaton (1960)
Peoples of the Sea (1977)
Ramses II and His Times (1978)
Mankind in Amnesia (1982)
Stargazers and Gravediggers (1983).

the only thing I can give you credit for is the ability to cite people who support your inherently baseless ideas.

you are fucking retarded but at least meticulous.

I still think most of you guys are all fake posters as spawned by one very fractured multiple personality disorder.

Originally posted by: yantastic

I still think most of you guys are all fake posters as spawned by one very fractured multiple personality disorder.

im going to have to agree with yan on this.

more proof!

"Immanuel Velikovsky's work has been deliberately ignored by modern science! He demonstrated that the establishment's story of the Ice Age was false; he taught of a great planet-altering catastrophe of celestial origin resulting in a pole-shift, rather than gradual earth changes; this man should have been revered as a pioneer but was the victim of a total blackout by mainstream science."

Which is far more believable than him just being WRONG.