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August 26 2013 5:55 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

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at least he didn't start an endless war under false pretenses that killed over a million people.



Bush didn't the war, he just responded. He was actually in agreement with most of the nation was calling for at the time. Though you obviously forgot the widespread call for war.



No, Ass, Bush started the idea for that war. He brought it up in the first fucking place... and HE made the decision to start the war.

Hell, not too long ago you were whining that he would be considered one of our greatest presidents in large part because he went into Iraq... and now you can't even bring yourself to admit going into Iraq was something he thought up and chose to do. There were massive, simply MASSIVE GLOBAL protests in opposition to going into Iraq. Literally the largest protests the world has ever seen.
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November 15 2013 10:54 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Well, we can no unequivocally add one actual failure to this thread... the shit-tastic rollout of the ACA. This was a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR fuckup. We knew there would be problems.. and by we I mean fucking EVERYBODY, but not this bad. That said, the real-world impact of this fuckup seems to be pretty light, which is good, so if it is fixed soonish then things can go along roughly as planned.
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November 9 2016 3:12 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
appointed a Republican to head the F.B.I.









When reaching across the aisle became a reach-around

When FBI Director James Comey told Congress on Oct. 28 that he was reviewing additional emails pertinent to the case of Hillary Clinton’s email server, Clinton had an 81 percent chance of winning the election according to our polls-only forecast. One week later, her chances were 65 percent according to the same forecast.

President Obama named Republican James Comey director of the F.B.I. in 2013. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that Comey’s decision to reveal possible new evidence in the Hillary Clinton email probe likely cost Democrats the election.

“He became the leading Republican political operative in the country, wittingly or unwittingly,” she told reporters during a brief appearance at Democratic National Committee headquarters Tuesday afternoon.

Comey disclosed the new evidence in a letter to congressional leaders 11 days before the election. He told those leaders Sunday that the new materials did not change the FBI’s conclusion that Clinton had committed no crimes.

But Clinton’s lead in published polls dipped after the revelation, and because House results are highly correlated to the presidential results, Pelosi said the news had a “definite impact” on the congressional battle.

“This is like a Molotov cocktail thrown into a very explosive arena,” she said.

California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said in a statement that Comey’s letter “unfairly hurt the campaign of one candidate and changed the tenor of this election,” and many agree with her statement, even calling the timing of Comey’s interference an electioneering coup d’etat designed to overthrow the election in Trump’s favor.


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Obama: “Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early.”


WASHINGTON — Riding in a motorcade in Lima, Peru, shortly after the 2016 election, President Barack Obama was struggling to understand Donald J. Trump’s victory.

“What if we were wrong?” he asked aides riding with him in the armored presidential limousine.

He had read a column asserting that liberals had forgotten how important identity was to people and had promoted an empty cosmopolitan globalism that made many feel left behind. “Maybe we pushed too far,” Mr. Obama said. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

His aides reassured him that he still would have won had he been able to run for another term and that the next generation had more in common with him than with Mr. Trump. Mr. Obama, the first black man elected president, did not seem convinced. “Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he said.








Or maybe, just maybe, you were a lukewarm centrist that just didn't take enough ground while you held the office?

There is a basic principle in American politics, first outlined for the most recent iteration of the two-party system by Thomas Frank in 'The Wrecking Crew', that holds that post-Johnson Democrats tend to balance the budget when in office and post-Nixon Republicans tend to break it. Basically, the one saves money while being accused of overspending and then the other spends it all and goes heavily into debt while claiming to be fiscally responsible. In a macro version of Charlie Brown trusting Lucy not to pull the football away every time, Democrats consistently act overly conservative policy-wise and fiscally out of fear of incessant chastisement from across the aisle, but then as soon as Republicans get control of things they blow shit up, cut taxes, start wars, or do something else that burns through a trillion dollars or so, padding their pockets and those of their donors in the defense, fossil fuel, and other industries in the process.

All the things Obama could have done - free university education for all, medicare for all, transition from fossil fuels, basically the whole Bernie Sanders agenda, would have taken only a fraction of all the revenue lost on Bush's wars, Trump's tax cuts, and whateverthefuck else they have up their greasy sleeves. And as they reverse every single piece of Obama's substantive legacy, he is being ghosted from history.

So yeah, Obama blew it. He did not take what was his. He wasted what was likely the last chance in our generation for a progressive administration changing things for the better in any meaningful way with respect to our lives. The next non-Republican after Trump may help out our kids or grandkids, but the ship has sailed for us and anyone over twenty-five or so generally. And Obama honestly has no one to blame but himself. He and the people around him got so caught up in the symbolic moment in history of getting a black man elected president, that they went limp on aggressively following through on the entire progressive agenda, and acted like they were finished when they walked thru the door and saw themselves in the mirror. Lukewarm on the environment, lukewarm on education reform, lukewarm on infrastructure, etc., they quickly became a single issue administration with healthcare, which, as has been pointed out in an earlier post, has the worst possible incidental visuals politically with sick people for ads and is depressing just to think about so is never an 'energizing' issue for any constituency as opposed to, say, the hope engendered in talking about making higher education available to all. And then when the healthcare plan got compromised and corrupted into a long-term windfall for the insurance industry instead of a threat to its existence like it should have been, they nut-kicked every left leaning politico and assured they would always have to struggle for second place.

Obama didn't come along too early, he just came too fast when he got there.

Thanks, Obama.
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