lol, lindros was also the one dishing out huge questionable hits all the time

phaneuf really doesn't hit guys like he did in his first two seasons anymore though, nor does he fight, which is too bad

Tell me who "protected" Forsberg? Brashear, I'll grant you, in 05-06 was this teams "enforcer" (Donald is also a guy who given the right circumstances, can play a regular shift. Ken Hitchcock was a huge fan of his). I still don't recall specific circumstances where he had other players come in and take care of his business. 06-07, while he only played 40 games, the toughest guy on the roster was probably Ben Eager. Hardly someone who would eve be given the opportunity to stand up for a star player. Where were these guys when Peters hit him, or how about when Ovechkin gave him a concussion the first game back from his foot injury?

Also, both the NHLPA and the league give less than a shit about head shots.

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My concern with today's NHL is all the shitty hooking calls and whatnot that make most games all special teams. There are still plenty of big hits that occur without fights directly after

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I agree with the fact that officiating in terms of calling the obstruction is still not where anybody would want it to be.

I disagree with your second statement. The biggest hits i've seen this year all have had scrums afterwards.

Mitchell on Toews
Phaneuf on Okposo (preseason)
Ohlund on Kessell

I still hate to think about the outcome of game six, 2004 ECSF, if instead of jumping on the ice to score a goal, Roenick jumped on the ice to go after Tucker for the domination he gave Sami Kapanen moments before.

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Tell me who "protected" Forsberg? Brashear, I'll grant you, in 05-06 was this teams "enforcer" (Donald is also a guy who given the right circumstances, can play a regular shift. Ken Hitchcock was a huge fan of his). I still don't recall specific circumstances where he had other players come in and take care of his business. 06-07, while he only played 40 games, the toughest guy on the roster was probably Ben Eager. Hardly someone who would eve be given the opportunity to stand up for a star player. Where were these guys when Peters hit him, or how about when Ovechkin gave him a concussion the first game back from his foot injury?

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No, I don't remember the exact games, but it was more or less every one of his line-mates at the time including the defense pairing that got involved on several occasions...basically the majority of the time there was a scrum where someone had a late hit or face wash to him he would try to take care of it himself, and in the meantime our entire team showed up and got involved. Not saying Foppa wasn't tough, and didn't deal with shit himself, I'm just saying I can recall numerous times where he was protected...

Now when it comes to hits this year...dude it hasn't even been 20 games into the season yet...I remember all year Phanuefs rookie year and year after he had tons of monstorous hits without scrums afterwards. I'll agree that there are more of them after a hits now in the NHL, sometimes it can be annoying...but I could care less about that. It's the officiating I care about, and how many bullshit calls on stupid half ass penalties cost a team a game/playoff series/etc...

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Also, both the NHLPA and the league give less than a shit about head shots.

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So that's why so many suspensions have been handed out these past few years on head shots...*edit* I will agree that they don't care about head shots in the Stanley Cup finals...it's only ratings that they care about there

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Also, both the NHLPA and the league give less than a shit about head shots.

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So that's why so many suspensions have been handed out these past few years on head shots...

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Suspensions based on reputation instead of the incident itself is not what I'd call a strong call for the eradication of head shots.

It's an incredibly complex issue though, so I'll give them that.

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Tell me who "protected" Forsberg? Brashear, I'll grant you, in 05-06 was this teams "enforcer" (Donald is also a guy who given the right circumstances, can play a regular shift. Ken Hitchcock was a huge fan of his). I still don't recall specific circumstances where he had other players come in and take care of his business. 06-07, while he only played 40 games, the toughest guy on the roster was probably Ben Eager. Hardly someone who would eve be given the opportunity to stand up for a star player. Where were these guys when Peters hit him, or how about when Ovechkin gave him a concussion the first game back from his foot injury?

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No, I don't remember the exact games, but it was more or less every one of his line-mates at the time including the defense pairing that got involved on several occasions...basically the majority of the time there was a scrum where someone had a late hit or face wash to him he would try to take care of it himself, and in the meantime our entire team showed up and got involved. Not saying Foppa wasn't tough, and didn't deal with shit himself, I'm just saying I can recall numerous times where he was protected...

Now when it comes to hits this year...dude it hasn't even been 20 games into the season yet...I remember all year Phanuefs rookie year and year after he had tons of monstorous hits without scrums afterwards. I'll agree that there are more of them after a hits now in the NHL, sometimes it can be annoying...but I could care less about that. It's the officiating I care about, and how many bullshit calls on stupid half ass penalties cost a team a game/playoff series/etc...

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The difference in argument is I can recall specific incidents, where you cannot. I win this one chief.

I don't care if it's two games, 20, or the playoffs, this behavior is uncalled for (not a new issue anyway). It's bullshit, tough guy posturing. You suit up like the rest, you are open to any physical play no matter how many figures you make. You should never have to drop your gloves for normal hockey plays. I'm waiting for a game where a goal is scored and someone gets punched out for it (Dale Hunter on Turgeon held aside. Not really "punched out" anyway. But I digress).

I think putting your team down willingly by going after a player that has put a solid, clean (and really, we've all seen harder than the one that sparked this discussion) hit is more of a "stupid, half ass" penalty (if I may use your words) than most of the obstruction calls.

The Leafs have a new enforcer, and his name is Niklas Hagman.

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Tell me who "protected" Forsberg? Brashear, I'll grant you, in 05-06 was this teams "enforcer" (Donald is also a guy who given the right circumstances, can play a regular shift. Ken Hitchcock was a huge fan of his). I still don't recall specific circumstances where he had other players come in and take care of his business. 06-07, while he only played 40 games, the toughest guy on the roster was probably Ben Eager. Hardly someone who would eve be given the opportunity to stand up for a star player. Where were these guys when Peters hit him, or how about when Ovechkin gave him a concussion the first game back from his foot injury?

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No, I don't remember the exact games, but it was more or less every one of his line-mates at the time including the defense pairing that got involved on several occasions...basically the majority of the time there was a scrum where someone had a late hit or face wash to him he would try to take care of it himself, and in the meantime our entire team showed up and got involved. Not saying Foppa wasn't tough, and didn't deal with shit himself, I'm just saying I can recall numerous times where he was protected...

Now when it comes to hits this year...dude it hasn't even been 20 games into the season yet...I remember all year Phanuefs rookie year and year after he had tons of monstorous hits without scrums afterwards. I'll agree that there are more of them after a hits now in the NHL, sometimes it can be annoying...but I could care less about that. It's the officiating I care about, and how many bullshit calls on stupid half ass penalties cost a team a game/playoff series/etc...

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The difference in argument is I can recall specific incidents, where you cannot. I win this one chief.

I don't care if it's two games, 20, or the playoffs, this behavior is uncalled for (not a new issue anyway). It's bullshit, tough guy posturing. You suit up like the rest, you are open to any physical play no matter how many figures you make. You should never have to drop your gloves for normal hockey plays. I'm waiting for a game where a goal is scored and someone gets punched out for it (Dale Hunter on Turgeon held aside. Not really "punched out" anyway. But I digress).

I think putting your team down willingly by going after a player that has put a solid, clean (and really, we've all seen harder than the one that sparked this discussion) hit is more of a "stupid, half ass" penalty (if I may use your words) than most of the obstruction calls.

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What specific incidents? There are 82 games in the season (granted he didn't play all of them)and in the majority of them there are scrums, and almost all of those games if forsberg were involved, everyone on the ice would get involved and team up to make sure he was alright. I can even recall Jim Jackson talking about our team having a strong bond and protecting eachother, specifically forsberg. You win nothing, because you're wrong plain and simple, and I think it's hilarious that you don't think anyone stuck it out for him while he was here.

"Suspensions based on reputation instead of the incident itself is not what I'd call a strong call for the eradication of head shots.

It's an incredibly complex issue though, so I'll give them that. "


There have been plenty of suspensions that weren't based on reputation, and the NHLPA and Cambell have been quoted numerous times regarding these suspensions and others about how they need to get rid of head shots.

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Tell me who "protected" Forsberg? Brashear, I'll grant you, in 05-06 was this teams "enforcer" (Donald is also a guy who given the right circumstances, can play a regular shift. Ken Hitchcock was a huge fan of his). I still don't recall specific circumstances where he had other players come in and take care of his business. 06-07, while he only played 40 games, the toughest guy on the roster was probably Ben Eager. Hardly someone who would eve be given the opportunity to stand up for a star player. Where were these guys when Peters hit him, or how about when Ovechkin gave him a concussion the first game back from his foot injury?

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No, I don't remember the exact games, but it was more or less every one of his line-mates at the time including the defense pairing that got involved on several occasions...basically the majority of the time there was a scrum where someone had a late hit or face wash to him he would try to take care of it himself, and in the meantime our entire team showed up and got involved. Not saying Foppa wasn't tough, and didn't deal with shit himself, I'm just saying I can recall numerous times where he was protected...

Now when it comes to hits this year...dude it hasn't even been 20 games into the season yet...I remember all year Phanuefs rookie year and year after he had tons of monstorous hits without scrums afterwards. I'll agree that there are more of them after a hits now in the NHL, sometimes it can be annoying...but I could care less about that. It's the officiating I care about, and how many bullshit calls on stupid half ass penalties cost a team a game/playoff series/etc...

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The difference in argument is I can recall specific incidents, where you cannot. I win this one chief.

I don't care if it's two games, 20, or the playoffs, this behavior is uncalled for (not a new issue anyway). It's bullshit, tough guy posturing. You suit up like the rest, you are open to any physical play no matter how many figures you make. You should never have to drop your gloves for normal hockey plays. I'm waiting for a game where a goal is scored and someone gets punched out for it (Dale Hunter on Turgeon held aside. Not really "punched out" anyway. But I digress).

I think putting your team down willingly by going after a player that has put a solid, clean (and really, we've all seen harder than the one that sparked this discussion) hit is more of a "stupid, half ass" penalty (if I may use your words) than most of the obstruction calls.

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What specific incidents? There are 82 games in the season (granted he didn't play all of them)and in the majority of them there are scrums, and almost all of those games if forsberg were involved, everyone on the ice would get involved and team up to make sure he was alright. I can even recall Jim Jackson talking about our team having a strong bond and protecting eachother, specifically forsberg. You win nothing, because you're wrong plain and simple, and I think it's hilarious that you don't think anyone stuck it out for him while he was here.

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You're talking about "protection." I don't deny line scrums, which happens numerous times for various reasons. You're talking about Forsberg being protected by his teammates. Not the case.

*Edit* Not while he was here in Philadelphia at least.

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"Suspensions based on reputation instead of the incident itself is not what I'd call a strong call for the eradication of head shots.

It's an incredibly complex issue though, so I'll give them that. "


There have been plenty of suspensions that weren't based on reputation, and the NHLPA and Cambell have been quoted numerous times regarding these suspensions and others about how they need to get rid of head shots.

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Show me examples then.

Mike Richards hit on David Booth for example. Many people expected a suspension for it. One of the main reasons cited for him avoiding the suspension was the "not a repeat offender" justification. His reputation kept him from getting busted for a hit that many saw as a "blatant headshot." Whatever you think about the hit (and I have flip-flopped on this a bit) it WAS a blow to the head.

If you want to get rid of blows to the head, then blows to the head should be automatic suspensions, and you should not get a pass because you've never done it before.

Also,

"What specific incidents? "

I gave you two pretty big ones.

My Sharks looking good right now up 4-0 on a beat up pens team, Boyle is a monster our there