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Kadesh
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January 1 2008 7:30 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:Eric Paradox

the knowledge and perspective you gain from serving in the military is all subjective and different for each person.



I'm buddies with sergeants and military training requires us to understand what's going on. I know much more then the average citizen. I wish more liberals had the guts to go through basic training, they'd have a rude awakening. It's no wonder the majority of the military are republican.
Eric Paradox
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January 1 2008 7:32 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
*EDIT: wow, you just made your post so much dumber with that edit. forget it man. okay, Hershey.
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January 1 2008 8:24 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:matt.

It's no wonder the majority of the military are republican.






you're right - the only people delusional enough to follow cheney into his bloody fiasco would most likely be of the same party as him. or really fucking stupid. or both.
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January 1 2008 8:27 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:matt.

I'm buddies with sergeants



crunkmoose
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January 1 2008 10:02 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:matt.

1. be more specific.
2. Had nothing to do with Iraq or Iran.
3. Yes, because it isn't even useful or needed in this conversation.

Not sure what you are talking about in particular there.

4. There were lies. The Downing Street memo shows that, for one.

5. Wait... terrorists gathered there BEFORE we invaded??? No. If so, lets see some proof.

6. You haven't been there. End of story.

"I'm not going to discuss this with you. You're dumb and willfully ignorant. Later kid. "

Talk about faulting others for what you do yourself.
aboutleaving
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January 2 2008 12:08 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Matt is sooooooooo fucking stupid.

The war in Iraq is a must for our own survival as Americans



I don't know how anyone can believe this. I think even the neo-cons would laugh at how vigorously you've swallowed their propaganda.

I hope you go to Iraq soon and die there in place of some innocent kid.
Tim E. Husk
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January 2 2008 12:47 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
apparently boot camp makes you an expert on all things u.s. military in iraq.

let's get back to the topic anyway.

the current university system is bleeding to death financially. schools are not businesses, and cannot be ran as such without running aground, as they are now. a university is not designed to pump out graduates as fast as possible, "efficiently" as possible (this word doesn't apply, and that is a fundamental problem with the business mentality), and with as little extra money for other programs needed.

tuition is continually raised, blocking poorer students from attending, even if they are highly qualified, because scholarships are drying up as well.

government funding, even if not total and just increasing the current funding, could stop a lot of this.

currently, the quality of instructors is going to decrease as well. i am going to be in academics, and i can tell you the following from daily experience:

1. tenure is going to be a dream of the past in a few decades if things don't change
2. beginning professors now are almost forced (unless extremely lucky with job openings) to take several one-year stints as visiting professors or lecturers at whatever university has an opening, usually meaning moving across the country several times in a few years. the strain on finances and family from this is obvious.
3. business-oriented university policies mean that the humanities (however useless some of you jackasses may think they are) suffer the most. language departments shrink every year and smaller ones disappear. the quality of instructors decreases as new people can't be hired when the older ones retire.

i could go on.

this is seriously a crisis, and the only reason we have "the best" universities in the world these days is because of the ivy league. our public universities are not thriving, they're stagnating and losing ground every year.
crunkmoose
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January 2 2008 1:07 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
^ At least 4 of the faculty at the very small arts department in the school I attended as an undergrad have been offered early retirement. That would be faculty with a great amount of experience who are being replaced mostly by teachers with very little experience at all... often being replaced by temporary adjunct professors rather than any tenure-track or even permanent faculty. I know that education levels will suffer because I have already seen it happening there.
Tim E. Husk
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January 2 2008 1:13 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
exactly. speaking of retirement, by the time i get a full professorship it will probably be a remnant of the past as well.
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May 10 2008 3:08 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:white trash dirt bag

we're all paying taxes anyway for education right now, [as well as the penal system], especially if you own property, regardless of whether you have children, so i don't think it's too much to ask that the job be done right.
in the end, ultimately, we all have to live with everyone else's kids when they grow up, so i think i'd rather have them all educated to the fullest of their abilities regardless of their parents' income, rather than having them doing meth and stealing groceries out of my garage.

also, the $2 trillion dollars we spent on the war in iraq could have paid for college for everyone well into 2100.


agreed.
Kadesh
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May 12 2008 1:03 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Socialized education will raise taxes to the max. It would be great for people getting an education, but bad for anyone who doesn't want it because then they're paying for something they don't want.
crunkmoose
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May 12 2008 1:23 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:.holdfast.

Socialized education will raise taxes to the max. It would be great for people getting an education, but bad for anyone who doesn't want it because then they're paying for something they don't want.



Gee.. paying for something they don't want. You know... like most Americans are with the whole Iraq thing, along with many other things.

And then there is the somewhat dubious idea that education would raise taxes that much. Its rather too much of a blanket statement, really.

Also... higher education is pretty much a necessity these days to get a decent paying job, so that reduces the number of people who don't want one quite a lot and puts them in a low tax bracket.. at least in theory.
Liam ODonnell M.Div.
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May 12 2008 1:52 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
socialized education and health care make so much sense to me. you can make millions of dollars exploiting something else. but educated people and keep um healthy for free. is that so hard?
crunkmoose
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May 12 2008 2:01 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by:XPastorLiamX

socialized education and health care make so much sense to me. you can make millions of dollars exploiting something else. but educated people and keep um healthy for free. is that so hard?



Well, the pure plain fact is that education has become vital to making a living for the vast majority of people and has become more and more expensive over the last few years while at the same time access to financial aid for many has been curtailed and loaning practices have bordered on if not actually been predatory and have spawned a huge industry of refinancing services, etc... which any fan of Adam Smith should see is just shifting money around without really performing a service or selling a product, which is a bad thing for a free market system.

In short.. something must be done. That much is clear. Don't expect it with this president, though. He still believes state schools are as good as private schools. He should know, of course.. having gone to Yale and Harvard.
Kadesh
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May 12 2008 2:12 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Why people want to socialize everything makes no sense to me. It's taking away from our freedoms. How is it that we complain so much about the government abusing this or that, but then we're willing to give them all our money?

A socialized healthcare and schooling raises taxes which means far less money in your pocket to do what you want to do. It's not free, you're just paying with your tax money

Lets say at the moment your low on cash and trying to care for your family in a tough time but alot of your money is going to healthcare that you don't want. What if you'd rather get a private doctor with an incentive to care for you rather then treat you as someone just in the system?

What if you don't want to go to college and you already have a great job? Doing something you love? To bad, you're already paying for it and you don't have as much money as you would have had.


It makes so much more sense to choose what you want to do with your money rather then give it to the government. This way you can spend your money on what you want, when you want. A wise thing to do would be to look at other countries and they way they did it and see who's economy has been better with which system. Maybe we could compare who has the richest people in the world.....oh right, we do, because our system is better.
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