Originally posted by: lord sauron

Originally posted by: Dianana

Originally posted by: lord sauron

higgs boson is a dumb cunt, isn't she

No, she's not.

How about you contribute to the thread instead of being some anonymous shit talker.

nah, i'm good.

Originally posted by: Kermit Butts

oh I just read this thread, and it bums me out that somebody so smart can fall for the GOP scare tactics on something as successful and non burdensome as medicare. It is especially disheartening to hear the negative reaction to socialized medicine. The pre-existing condition pool to help those who can't get covered based on that is like 15 dollars a citizen to cover and people are STILL whining. Land of the selfish, straight up.

Originally posted by: BRYANA


i'm not saying that it can't be done but there is a reason that the number of people opting to skip college and go into the workforce without a degree is rising.

Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag

Originally posted by: BRYANA


i'm not saying that it can't be done but there is a reason that the number of people opting to skip college and go into the workforce without a degree is rising.

it is no accident that the richest country in the world [us] still fails to be the most literate and educated per capita, while the countries that do hold that honor all have nationalized higher education where their best and brightest are encouraged to achieve regardless of family income level, rather than settle for a life far below their potential. their entire society benefits from their success, not just the individuals succeeding, because everyone wins when more people are better skilled and more knowledgeable at what they do.

Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag
the point is that many of our best just happen to be born poor; that's just the cruel probabilities of nature and the genetic lottery. and the society that misses and thereby wastes its nacent geniuses suffers as a result.

Originally posted by: barbarossa

Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag

Originally posted by: BRYANA.


i'm not saying that it can't be done but there is a reason that the number of people opting to skip college and go into the workforce without a degree is rising.

it is no accident that the richest country in the world [us] still fails to be the most literate and educated per capita, while the countries that do hold that honor all have nationalized higher education where their best and brightest are encouraged to achieve regardless of family income level, rather than settle for a life far below their potential. their entire society benefits from their success, not just the individuals succeeding, because everyone wins when more people are better skilled and more knowledgeable at what they do.

We have ridiculous percentages of people attending college - more so than in most of the west, if I recall correctly - despite the lag in general education. I hope more and more people skip college for trades or other sectors, but WTDB is right that those who go to college need to be the best, not the wealthiest.

Originally posted by: da truth

Originally posted by: babydaddy

Originally posted by: Higgs boson

Of course its not there for the poor, that was my entire point.

I dont know why people in this country start things with "its not perfect but..." and then they talk about how it is acceptable to be so flawed. We should strive for perfection in everything we do because it is us, the citizens that receive the end result.

Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag

Originally posted by: barbarossa

Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag

Originally posted by: BRYANA


i'm not saying that it can't be done but there is a reason that the number of people opting to skip college and go into the workforce without a degree is rising.

it is no accident that the richest country in the world [us] still fails to be the most literate and educated per capita, while the countries that do hold that honor all have nationalized higher education where their best and brightest are encouraged to achieve regardless of family income level, rather than settle for a life far below their potential. their entire society benefits from their success, not just the individuals succeeding, because everyone wins when more people are better skilled and more knowledgeable at what they do.

We have ridiculous percentages of people attending college - more so than in most of the west, if I recall correctly - despite the lag in general education. I hope more and more people skip college for trades or other sectors, but WTDB is right that those who go to college need to be the best, not the wealthiest.

yes, but you're right if you're implying that i also agree with the early communists that the more people that receive higher education the better, regardless of whether or not they are all geniuses. but where marx believed that all people deserved to enjoy beethoven and bach regardless of station or class, i believe that in addition, all people also deserve to be familiarized with contemporary science and all the other disciplines of what is generally regarded as your basic liberal arts university education, even if they choose non academic trades. [that was the original purpose of the liberal arts core curriculum in this country if i'm not mistaken.] we all benefit when even the servers at taco bell know a little bit about why they should wash their hands after taking a shit and don't just do it halfassedly because they are supposed to. and as a capitalist, i believe that the often decried cost of such an open approach to higher education will one day be shown to be far less than the price we are already paying for all the effects of preventable ignorance at every level.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.

Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.