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September 22 2011 4:55 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
do you still have that PM? lol
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lol yeah
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September 22 2011 5:24 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

taxes, aren't my own money being used how I want it to be used (currently, yes for the most part)....taxing more doesn't help. I'm all for the bare necessities, roads, bridges, jails and police officers, paying gov. workers ,etc. I'm not for the government doing what we're all supposed to do anyhow like helping the homeless and get heathcare....things of that nature. A step in that way and we're one step in the direction of communism.

I guess we lose the power of our own money to change what we think is best to change. Money tends to be "freedom," loss of it tends to be losing freedom.



So.. you are against all taxes, then? Or just some taxes? Or perhaps you are against representative democracy, then?

Let me ask you something, then... if we aren't doing it ourselves to help the homeless or can't afford health care (as is a problem for many many people who unlike you don't get government subsidized healthcare... then should we simply throw up our hands because the free market isn't providing affordable health insurance?

As for that being one step towards communism, you're drawing a pretty damned arbitrary line there.... and its a line every other single fucking industrialized first world nation except ours has crossed, some for over half a century already.

New rule... if you can't name an actual freedom you are losing, you probably aren't losing an actual freedom. Not having to pay taxes is not a freedom. In fact, given your tax bracket, Obama CUT your fucking taxes, so what in fuck are you whining about??? You yourself said you only disagreed with Bush on one thing.. immigration. So, where was all this whiny, bitchy, hand wringing over your taxes being spent on things you don't want (as if you are the first to ever have that problem, you whiny fucking hypocrite) as if you don't live in a democracy when Bush was in office? Because, you see.. you've been on this forum that whole time, and you didn't once bring up this kind of shit at the time... though I'm sure you've convinced yourself that you have always believed this and always stood up for this sort of thing... though you haven't.

Unless you think that all of Europe, most of asia, much of south america, and canada are ALL socialist dictatorships, then this whole argument that "its a step towards communism" to simply provide healthcare for everyone in America, then you should check your fucking medication because you either need a refill or a much higher dose of your anti-psychotic. Its not communism; its the 21st fucking century, and its about damned time you backwards ass hillbilly fucktards joined it.



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I don't have time to reply now, later, but to me you seem like a baby in the sense that you want your "daddy" to take care of you when you fall and get a boo-boo....You do realize "universal healthcare" brings every body down a level because the doctors aren't working to make their product the best, they're just able to do the job....as simply as that. I'll get you later.



Well, I'm not sure how you think after your repeated references to religion and your god as a father figure that you have any room to complain about others supposedly looking to have a father figure take care of them, but anyway.. to your point;

I and many others want results. We want affordable health care, which is something that the free market is not providing and is in fact not willing to provide. Thus, we need to solve the problem... and every other industrialized nation has solved it through single payer universal healthcare (which is not what we are moving to, mind you). Having been through the health care system in this country with myself, my grandparents, my friends, etc... I am more interested in results than in ideological purity.

As for doctors not doing as good a job because they supposedly won't want to improve the treatment they provide.... are you fucking insane? Doctors don't make more money now based on the quality of care they provide and Doctors do not get into the field with money as their prime motivation. The idea that people who have to go through med school and all that entails as well as interning, etc... are going to just not do a good job if they don't have some fictional profit margin hanging over their heads is absolutely fucking ludicrous.
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September 22 2011 11:52 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

a little more than that actually.



Okay... what more than taxes are you complaining about, Matt? ... and don't say "freedom" unless you can name what actual freedom you are losing... and having to pay taxes is not a loss of freedom, especially given the relatively low tax rates this country has.



taxes for a purposed universal healthcare, IF it happens. It's looking like it will the way you are supporting it. Other than that, no complaints.



what the fuck are you talking about? obama is basically a republican who took universal coverage off of the table before the discussion ever even started. you know what you are? you're a cliche conservative christian republican who simply follows the retarded bullshit group of turds from the far right in everything they do. you're not an individual, you're simply one out of millions of other retards who probably makes like $15k a year and for some reason, sympathizes with millionaires and billionaires. it's fucking clown shoes, and you're a fucking idiot.
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September 23 2011 12:06 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: ass nipples

lol yeah

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September 23 2011 1:44 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I am totally willing to admit that I honestly have virtually no time to devote to keeping up with the news. Work all day, come home at night then wake up the next day to do army PT at 0600.
Let's be honest, even if I made some awesome points, it makes no difference and changes virtually nothing. I can't change your mind, wish I could but you're just to dang stubborn. Even if I said that 5+5=10, and you didn't want to believe it, you can convince yourself it doesn't.

We're wasting our time here. You and I are just bored wasting time. Sounds kinda lame eh?
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September 23 2011 2:08 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

I am totally willing to admit that I honestly have virtually no time to devote to keeping up with the news. Work all day, come home at night then wake up the next day to do army PT at 0600.
Let's be honest, even if I made some awesome points, it makes no difference and changes virtually nothing. I can't change your mind, wish I could but you're just to dang stubborn. Even if I said that 5+5=10, and you didn't want to believe it, you can convince yourself it doesn't.

We're wasting our time here. You and I are just bored wasting time. Sounds kinda lame eh?



The only one of us that's guilty of wasting time is you, due to the fact that you have yet to actually say anything of substance, let alone based in reality. people like you are ruining this country and it makes me fucking sick. i used to wonder why every single person on PAHC hated you so much but now i totally understand why. you make shit up and then when you're called out you either ignore it or simply make up more shit to distract others from the subject at hand.

ban this chud, please.
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September 23 2011 6:43 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

I am totally willing to admit that I honestly have virtually no time to devote to keeping up with the news. Work all day, come home at night then wake up the next day to do army PT at 0600.
Let's be honest, even if I made some awesome points, it makes no difference and changes virtually nothing. I can't change your mind, wish I could but you're just to dang stubborn. Even if I said that 5+5=10, and you didn't want to believe it, you can convince yourself it doesn't.

We're wasting our time here. You and I are just bored wasting time. Sounds kinda lame eh?



So, you.. unlike EEEEEEEverybody else actually works and stuff... so you have no time to keep up with the news, as if the rest of us spend hours on it daily... but you still try to speak about what is going on as if you did actually know and, of course, you condemn the rest of us for being completely wrong on the subject.

No, Matt.. let's be really honest. You haven't made "some awesome points" because you are painfully and willfully ignorant. You keep saying this same thing over and over...that despite you being ignorant of the subject, it wouldn't matter anyway because everyone else is just stubborn and would for some reason deny anything you said no matter what it was. You are just protecting your ego after your complete ignorance has been pointed out to you and to everyone else. Face it, Matt... you don't actually know if others would listen to what you have to say were you to actually be right because you are so completely fucking ignorant of pretty much every topic you try to lecture us on! You aren't saying 5+5=10. You are saying 5+ platypus = bananas... because you have no clue what you are talking about in the first place... which you don't seem to find hampers your ability to debate... or even to be right!
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100th post :)
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lol. "fuck you, gay soldiers" - america
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September 23 2011 11:37 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

a little more than that actually.



Okay... what more than taxes are you complaining about, Matt? ... and don't say "freedom" unless you can name what actual freedom you are losing... and having to pay taxes is not a loss of freedom, especially given the relatively low tax rates this country has.



taxes for a purposed universal healthcare, IF it happens. It's looking like it will the way you are supporting it. Other than that, no complaints.



what the fuck are you talking about? obama is basically a republican who took universal coverage off of the table before the discussion ever even started. you know what you are? you're a cliche conservative christian republican who simply follows the retarded bullshit group of turds from the far right in everything they do. you're not an individual, you're simply one out of millions of other retards who probably makes like $15k a year and for some reason, sympathizes with millionaires and billionaires. it's fucking clown shoes, and you're a fucking idiot.



Honestly, I don't even pay attention to what other Christians say about this stuff. I was taught the whole idea of the government paying for stuff in a public High school and I've always thought it was logically idiotic. No, I'm not an idiot, just a common sense thinker.
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September 23 2011 11:38 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
chimes in moose,your turn...
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September 24 2011 11:50 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

a little more than that actually.



Okay... what more than taxes are you complaining about, Matt? ... and don't say "freedom" unless you can name what actual freedom you are losing... and having to pay taxes is not a loss of freedom, especially given the relatively low tax rates this country has.



taxes for a purposed universal healthcare, IF it happens. It's looking like it will the way you are supporting it. Other than that, no complaints.



what the fuck are you talking about? obama is basically a republican who took universal coverage off of the table before the discussion ever even started. you know what you are? you're a cliche conservative christian republican who simply follows the retarded bullshit group of turds from the far right in everything they do. you're not an individual, you're simply one out of millions of other retards who probably makes like $15k a year and for some reason, sympathizes with millionaires and billionaires. it's fucking clown shoes, and you're a fucking idiot.



Honestly, I don't even pay attention to what other Christians say about this stuff. I was taught the whole idea of the government paying for stuff in a public High school and I've always thought it was logically idiotic. No, I'm not an idiot, just a common sense thinker.



How the fucking fuck is it common sense for government to NOT pay for anything? Do you propose some other way to pay for things like roads, bridges, disaster assistance, police, fire departments, etc? And if the free market proves itself unwilling or unable to provide an affordable and adequate service that is a vital service to the nation, why is government stepping in to in some way help provide that service adequately and affordably so wrong that it trumps the good that would be done?

And the idea that you are "just a common sense thinker" is the sickest of sick jokes from the blackest part of the spectrum of black humor.
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