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Mechanical Birds
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September 20 2011 12:17 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.



that's the thing, though, it's NOT sound what-so-ever. what they suggest doing inhibits future congresses from making their own budgets, completely undermines the supreme court and exists solely because of low-information voters who, before 2009, were never involved or interested in politics before. their "philosophy" is half assed and extremely flawed. ok, cool, keep government spending to a minimum, no new taxes, get the black guy out of office. this doesn't even sound positive to me, and i guarantee that 90% of the idiots involved with this mess don't even understand our tax code or how government is actually run. the government NEEDS to spend money. with taxes, it's absolutely insane to me that these tea party chuds, the majority of them probably at or around the poverty line, somehow empathize with millionaires and billionaires and talk about these people having to pay their fair share like it's the equivalent of killing a baby. the top 28 most profitable corporations in the united states pay their CEOs more than they pay in taxes. how the fuck is that even legal? america is officially the worst country in the world in wealth inequality, and these dirt bags don't seem to realize just how dangerous and embarrassing that really is.

FUCK the tea party; it's a stupid sect of people who have no interest in the doing anything to actually help america.
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September 20 2011 12:23 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: Kadesh

You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.



that's the thing, though, it's NOT sound what-so-ever. what they suggest doing inhibits future congresses from making their own budgets, completely undermines the supreme court and exists solely because of low-information voters who, before 2009, were never involved or interested in politics before. their "philosophy" is half assed and extremely flawed. ok, cool, keep government spending to a minimum, no new taxes, get the black guy out of office. this doesn't even sound positive to me, and i guarantee that 90% of the idiots involved with this mess don't even understand our tax code or how government is actually run. the government NEEDS to spend money. with taxes, it's absolutely insane to me that these tea party chuds, the majority of them probably at or around the poverty line, somehow empathize with millionaires and billionaires and talk about these people having to pay their fair share like it's the equivalent of killing a baby. the top 28 most profitable corporations in the united states pay their CEOs more than they pay in taxes. how the fuck is that even legal? america is officially the worst country in the world in wealth inequality, and these dirt bags don't seem to realize just how dangerous and embarrassing that really is.

FUCK the tea party; it's a stupid sect of people who have no interest in the doing anything to actually help america.



You're relating equality to money. That's not really logical.
Mechanical Birds
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September 20 2011 12:25 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: robot sonic

Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: robot sonic

I don't follow your logic, Kadesk.



fixed.

you didn't change anything



I definitely changed something. I can't help it if you can't see it but I can try.

The opposition to the movement are just making up philosophies that they hate and projecting it on the tea party movement. There's no evidence for the "tea party movement" hating gays and being racist. Not being alright with the way someone lives is not the same as hating the person.



WHAT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCKING TEA PARTY DOES TO THE LEFT! The right, every chance they get, bases the left and calls them partisan and unwilling to work with them, WHEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO TO THE LEFT. it's fucking disgusting and irresponsible. those people are in office to support our best interests, not to practice blatant racism just for the fuck of it. michelle bauchman is the leader of the tea party caucus, which should stop any american who has ever had one original thought from supporting this retarded shit, but it doesn't. this cunt has alluded towards enacting forms of modern mccarthyism by wanting to force elected officials to take tests to determine their level of patriotism. what the fuck? they create issues out of absolutely nothing; you know the whole teleprompter thing? bauchman is actually campaigning on that. WHAT THE FUCK?

i keep saying this, but i can't stop thinking about it: I FUCKING HATE the tea party, and anyone who supports them is an asshole and deserves no respect.
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September 20 2011 12:28 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
i actually think that there's something slightly off about matt recently and am going to stop engaging with him about this sort of thing. it's not good for either of us, i'm sure.
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September 20 2011 12:29 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: Kadesh

You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.



that's the thing, though, it's NOT sound what-so-ever. what they suggest doing inhibits future congresses from making their own budgets, completely undermines the supreme court and exists solely because of low-information voters who, before 2009, were never involved or interested in politics before. their "philosophy" is half assed and extremely flawed. ok, cool, keep government spending to a minimum, no new taxes, get the black guy out of office. this doesn't even sound positive to me, and i guarantee that 90% of the idiots involved with this mess don't even understand our tax code or how government is actually run. the government NEEDS to spend money. with taxes, it's absolutely insane to me that these tea party chuds, the majority of them probably at or around the poverty line, somehow empathize with millionaires and billionaires and talk about these people having to pay their fair share like it's the equivalent of killing a baby. the top 28 most profitable corporations in the united states pay their CEOs more than they pay in taxes. how the fuck is that even legal? america is officially the worst country in the world in wealth inequality, and these dirt bags don't seem to realize just how dangerous and embarrassing that really is.

FUCK the tea party; it's a stupid sect of people who have no interest in the doing anything to actually help america.



You're relating equality to money. That's not really logical.



wut

seriously what the fuck does that even mean? i'm talking about wealth inequality. you know, that thing that is really bad in third world countries usually but has overtaken america and made us the worst country in the entire world in that realm?
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September 20 2011 12:35 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
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September 20 2011 1:36 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
For all the "freedom" you ass bags talk about preserving, I have yet to see one single, real freedom listed that you are losing.
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September 20 2011 7:17 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
That's because they're general freedom. Freedom to do what you want with your money. Oh yes you have some. Some of us want to be independent. I want to be able to give to the need on my own. It's far more personal and actually makes change. The problem with poor people isn't that they're poor and got the rotten end of the deal. Usually it's their motivations. You can be personal and help fix it rather than throw your money at it.
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September 20 2011 7:18 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: robot sonic



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Kadesh
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September 20 2011 7:24 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
That's because they're general freedom. Freedom to do what you want with your money. Oh yes you have some. Some of us want to be independent. I want to be able to give to the need on my own. It's far more personal and actually makes change. The problem with poor people isn't that they're poor and got the rotten end of the deal. Usually it's their motivations. You can be personal and help fix it rather than throw your money at it....

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September 20 2011 10:18 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

That's because they're general freedom. Freedom to do what you want with your money. Oh yes you have some. Some of us want to be independent. I want to be able to give to the need on my own. It's far more personal and actually makes change. The problem with poor people isn't that they're poor and got the rotten end of the deal. Usually it's their motivations. You can be personal and help fix it rather than throw your money at it.



Its general freedom... but you can't define which freedom is being taken away from you?

You can already do what you want with your own money, Matt. That has never changed... and if money isn't how you fix the problem, but your own personal involvement, then why the hell do you have such a problem with money being spent to help the poor that YOU basically admit YOU wouldn't spend to help the poor?

Also... while yes some poor people do need more, sometimes far more than money.... having a place to live, food to eat, etc.. still cost money.. money they don't have... because they are poor.

And what is it that you think these folks actually need, Matt?

And I repeat... WHAT ACTUAL FREEDOMS ARE YOU LOSING? YOU SAY WE ARE HEADED TOWARDS SOCIALISM AND LOSS OF FREEDOM, BUT WHAT FUCKING FREEDOMS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? There are no "general freedoms".. and you can still ride dirt bikes and spend your money how you want and do charity work to help the poor... SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ACTUALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT???
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September 21 2011 5:24 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
taxes, aren't my own money being used how I want it to be used (currently, yes for the most part)....taxing more doesn't help. I'm all for the bare necessities, roads, bridges, jails and police officers, paying gov. workers ,etc. I'm not for the government doing what we're all supposed to do anyhow like helping the homeless and get heathcare....things of that nature. A step in that way and we're one step in the direction of communism.

I guess we lose the power of our own money to change what we think is best to change. Money tends to be "freedom," loss of it tends to be losing freedom.
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September 21 2011 5:27 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
I know we're slipping into a socialist way of doing things.....not going to let it happen. I'm going to be king of my own nation if that happens. Maybe somewhere in the amazon.
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September 21 2011 5:33 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
is this guy complaining about raising taxes? god i wish wealthy people would stop whining about that.
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