Originally posted by: LEATHERFACE
What the Tea Party lacks in intelligence they more than make up for with sheer willpower. They are, however, smart enough to know that the only thing their liberal counterparts are capable of is ridicule, which they have been emphasizing to great effect. They've been called racists, bigots, tea-baggers, homophobes, Islamophobes, idiots, asshats, and, best of all, radicals. But all that's just because people are afraid of them and they know it, and they will continue to feed off the left's ignorance until they win. In their own ignorance they have been successfully hijacked by Corporate America. Neither the Tea Party or their opposition has actually taken time to sit down and think. That's pretty sad America.
Originally posted by: Kevlar MoneyclipsOriginally posted by: marksaysno
^ valid point. calling them asshats doesn't help either.
though it's obviously worth distinguishing between poorly considered insults and actual campaigning against and feeling threatened by equal rights for homosexuals.
If you were at a rally speaking against a group of klansmen, you wouldn't come up with some semi- witty excuse to say "nigger", and I don't see how its any different. What I think it is is groups of people who grew up when calling someone gay on the playground was an acceptable insult, they don't want to watch dudes make out, but if they get called on their own borderline homophobia need to demonstrate their love for equality. So they rally behind the right for gays to marry, they get a token gay friend, etc... just so long as mark and steve aren't over at their house party smashing bottoms in their bed.
I asked for a logical reason to oppose a party whose main platform should be something we can all get behind, and made the obersvation that most of the opposition seems to be knee jerk reactions from the youth who see this as their parent's political party. he responded "they are racists, bigots, tea-baggers, homophobes, Islamophobes, idiots, asshats, and, most of all, ignorant, uneducated, assholes."
He then went on to make a point about the closet racism that brought the party into the limelight, which, while i think he has it overstated, hes still barking up the right tree. Nonetheless, i don't see why people oppose the entire party on their entire grounds because it has a large handful of closet racists inside it.
Originally posted by: marksaysno
he was responding to something else, not directly to your post. but i won't speak for him.
as pointed out, not everyone can get behind "lower taxes" as an absolute principle. many people would like the richest to pay more. the tea party movement (it's not a party) does not want the government "out of your lives" - they want to impose socially conservative and religious morals upon people.
so i don't think they have some sort of lockdown on these wonderful political ideals that everyone loves. plus, all the racism, anti-science and conspiracy theories. i don't see what anybody who isn't socially conservative, religious republican could possibly see in them really. or at very least, nothing that you cannot see in ron paul.
he might be socially conservative and religious and racist and homophobic too, but wants less government in peoples lives (at least he's against drug prohibition) and comes across as much less mental.
Originally posted by: marksaysno
seems like a lot of people are willing to overlook the wacky crazy social policies and conspiracy theories because they agree with their economics. just like they did/do with ron paul. but at least paul's articulate, and doesn't come across as a mad racist conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by: Kadesh
You see....the alternative is socialism. It's a step below communism. What's weak is when we want to just do work for works sake, trading our dreams to thrive in society, for safety. We trade "adventure" of freedoms to succeed/fail for "safety," we opt for the golden, nicely paved road of a nicely scripted life. I don't want that, I'll take the struggle, the working hard, the more freedoms, rather than our country deciding what the leaders think is "moral" and not "moral." It's why people by insanely powerful dirt bikes and do jumps. It's why we design interesting styles of cars, it's why we skydive. We're under the guise of the kingly heads in control, what they think law should be. No thank you.....Over control, I'll trade hard work any day.
For how much opinion you're all offering and the life style you lead (or pretend to lead), I would think you want the same thing as I do but....it's not really what you want. You want a nice safe life.
I would think, the way your fighting, you wouldn't want a hardcore Christian morals being imposed (say a guy like that, was placed in leadership)....But Christianity wouldn't do that, unless they're totally going away from what God wants in people. God wants people to choose. You can only have "real love" with choice. Funny you want to force your own morals on people, but i'm not forcing my morals on you, I know where love comes from.
Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget
honestly who cares? they're all retards. really, rick. fucking. perry is their frontrunner. it's like we live in some fucked up bizarro universe where retards make up the majority and intellectualism, or plain common sense is considered retarded. sigh, afuckingmerica.