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September 20 2011 2:19 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
hows that. read carefully.
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September 20 2011 2:20 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
You see....the alternative is socialism. It's a step below communism. What's weak is when we want to just do work for works sake, trading our dreams to thrive in society, for safety. We trade "adventure" of freedoms to succeed/fail for "safety," we opt for the golden, nicely paved road of a nicely scripted life. I don't want that, I'll take the struggle, the working hard, the more freedoms, rather than our country deciding what the leaders think is "moral" and not "moral." It's why people by insanely powerful dirt bikes and do jumps. It's why we design interesting styles of cars, it's why we skydive. We're under the guise of the kingly heads in control, what they think law should be. No thank you.....Over control, I'll trade hard work any day.

For how much opinion you're all offering and the life style you lead (or pretend to lead), I would think you want the same thing as I do but....it's not really what you want. You want a nice safe life.


I would think, the way your fighting, you wouldn't want a hardcore Christian morals being imposed (say a guy like that, was placed in leadership)....But Christianity wouldn't do that, unless they're totally going away from what God wants in people. God wants people to choose. You can only have "real love" with choice. Funny you want to force your own morals on people, but i'm not forcing my morals on you, I know where love comes from.
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September 20 2011 2:35 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
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September 20 2011 5:57 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: LEATHERFACE

What the Tea Party lacks in intelligence they more than make up for with sheer willpower. They are, however, smart enough to know that the only thing their liberal counterparts are capable of is ridicule, which they have been emphasizing to great effect. They've been called racists, bigots, tea-baggers, homophobes, Islamophobes, idiots, asshats, and, best of all, radicals. But all that's just because people are afraid of them and they know it, and they will continue to feed off the left's ignorance until they win. In their own ignorance they have been successfully hijacked by Corporate America. Neither the Tea Party or their opposition has actually taken time to sit down and think. That's pretty sad America.



i wouldn't call the left's opposition ridicule as much as i would call it astonishment at the sheer magnitude of stupid bullshit that they spew. you're talking about this like the left are the ones making things up about the right, when in fact, it's the right being ridiculous and making up shit about the left. it's disgusting and anybody that has even one positive thing to say about these fucking horrible trolls is a terrible fucker.
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September 20 2011 6:00 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
seems like a lot of people are willing to overlook the wacky crazy social policies and conspiracy theories because they agree with their economics. just like they did/do with ron paul. but at least paul's articulate, and doesn't come across as a mad racist conspiracy theorist.
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September 20 2011 6:05 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kevlar Moneyclips

Originally posted by: marksaysno

^ valid point. calling them asshats doesn't help either.

though it's obviously worth distinguishing between poorly considered insults and actual campaigning against and feeling threatened by equal rights for homosexuals.




If you were at a rally speaking against a group of klansmen, you wouldn't come up with some semi- witty excuse to say "nigger", and I don't see how its any different. What I think it is is groups of people who grew up when calling someone gay on the playground was an acceptable insult, they don't want to watch dudes make out, but if they get called on their own borderline homophobia need to demonstrate their love for equality. So they rally behind the right for gays to marry, they get a token gay friend, etc... just so long as mark and steve aren't over at their house party smashing bottoms in their bed.


I asked for a logical reason to oppose a party whose main platform should be something we can all get behind, and made the obersvation that most of the opposition seems to be knee jerk reactions from the youth who see this as their parent's political party. he responded "they are racists, bigots, tea-baggers, homophobes, Islamophobes, idiots, asshats, and, most of all, ignorant, uneducated, assholes."

He then went on to make a point about the closet racism that brought the party into the limelight, which, while i think he has it overstated, hes still barking up the right tree. Nonetheless, i don't see why people oppose the entire party on their entire grounds because it has a large handful of closet racists inside it.



also, they face so much opposition because everything, literally EVERYTHING they stand for and are trying to do is contradictory, ignorant and dangerous. Not a single fucking thing that the tea sharty has come out in support of has been responsible, smart or based in reality. you keep mentioning this thing about government involvement in your life. what the fuck is that? when, ever, do you have to deal with the federal government? probably never ever. and taxes? really? If you make less than $50,000, you pay no federal income taxes, and obama made deep cuts into the payroll tax, but THAT never gets acknowledged. people need to pay taxes. america needs rebuilt, and to do that, there need to be large tax hikes across the board. i'm so sick of this half-assed argument about americans needing lower taxes. it's fucking stupid.
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September 20 2011 6:13 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: marksaysno

he was responding to something else, not directly to your post. but i won't speak for him.

as pointed out, not everyone can get behind "lower taxes" as an absolute principle. many people would like the richest to pay more. the tea party movement (it's not a party) does not want the government "out of your lives" - they want to impose socially conservative and religious morals upon people.

so i don't think they have some sort of lockdown on these wonderful political ideals that everyone loves. plus, all the racism, anti-science and conspiracy theories. i don't see what anybody who isn't socially conservative, religious republican could possibly see in them really. or at very least, nothing that you cannot see in ron paul.

he might be socially conservative and religious and racist and homophobic too, but wants less government in peoples lives (at least he's against drug prohibition) and comes across as much less mental.



THANK YOU! they use these shitty, vague pitches about lower taxes and smaller government, but they have absolutely no interest what-so-ever in cutting government spending where it's actually necessary or where it wont fuck over millions of people. john kyle threatened to quit the super committee if any cuts were made to defense, but he's completely fine with halting medicare and social security. what the fuck? they call those things "entitlements" when in reality, they're benefits that people fucking EARNED over the course of their lives. the entire right side of the political spectrum in america is fucked, and every single one of those people deserve to die in a grease fire.

Really, if these dicks were interested what-so-ever in creating jobs or helping people, they wouldn't be trying to eviscerate every single program that benefits poor and middle class americans, while trying to shelter and block any attempt at even making the wealthy contribute on the SAME LEVEL as the middle class and poor. seriously? where the fuck does any person making less than 6 figures get off supporting ANYTHING these pieces of shit say or do? it's retarded.
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September 20 2011 6:23 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: marksaysno

seems like a lot of people are willing to overlook the wacky crazy social policies and conspiracy theories because they agree with their economics. just like they did/do with ron paul. but at least paul's articulate, and doesn't come across as a mad racist conspiracy theorist.



really? because to me, ron paul is the exact definition of a mad racist conspiracy theorist. look, my main point concerning all of this, is that these people are capitalizing off of ignorance. they pound hom phrases like "lower taxes" and "smaller government" to people that have no idea how government works. all of these libertarian ideals are fucking stupid and would be dismal for our economy. government NEEDS to spend money. our infrastructure NEEDS rebuilt. put the public to work building a new electric grid, new roads and highways, new bridges and tunnels. have them pu the public to work building new dams and levees and solar panel factories and those huge ass wind mill things. do that, and unemployment would drop to 0%

GOD THE RIGHT IS SO FUCKIN AWFUL FUCK
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September 20 2011 6:37 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
i agree, he is a mad racist conspiracy theorist. but he doesn't entirely come across as one, not as much as the tea party people anyway. he's also articulate, intelligent, and the only difference i can see is that he wants even *less* "government in your life" re: drug prohibition and gay marriage.

i just don't see, from the OP's point of view, what could possibly make the tea party *better* than ron paul? or what does ron paul say that doesn't click with the tea party aims as described by op?
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September 20 2011 6:43 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
honestly who cares? they're all retards. really, rick. fucking. perry is their frontrunner. it's like we live in some fucked up bizarro universe where retards make up the majority and intellectualism, or plain common sense is considered retarded. sigh, afuckingmerica.
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September 20 2011 6:51 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
yeah, i just found it quite ridiculous to act like the tea party, "for all its misgivings", somehow has some unique claim to some political ideology. they don't, and they're even more ridiculous than the other people espousing the same ideology. i'm in no way defending ron paul, just confused why anyone would side with the tea party over him.

if i was a libertarian i would be just as (if not even more) horrified by them.
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September 20 2011 10:49 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

You see....the alternative is socialism. It's a step below communism. What's weak is when we want to just do work for works sake, trading our dreams to thrive in society, for safety. We trade "adventure" of freedoms to succeed/fail for "safety," we opt for the golden, nicely paved road of a nicely scripted life. I don't want that, I'll take the struggle, the working hard, the more freedoms, rather than our country deciding what the leaders think is "moral" and not "moral." It's why people by insanely powerful dirt bikes and do jumps. It's why we design interesting styles of cars, it's why we skydive. We're under the guise of the kingly heads in control, what they think law should be. No thank you.....Over control, I'll trade hard work any day.

For how much opinion you're all offering and the life style you lead (or pretend to lead), I would think you want the same thing as I do but....it's not really what you want. You want a nice safe life.


I would think, the way your fighting, you wouldn't want a hardcore Christian morals being imposed (say a guy like that, was placed in leadership)....But Christianity wouldn't do that, unless they're totally going away from what God wants in people. God wants people to choose. You can only have "real love" with choice. Funny you want to force your own morals on people, but i'm not forcing my morals on you, I know where love comes from.



Yes, I do so enjoy the "freedom" and "adventure" that comes from not being able to afford medical insurance.

No one is taking away your fucking dirtbikes, interesting cars, or skydiving. So go do all that stuff. Personally, yes, I prefer a safer life.. a life where I know that government regulates the food industry so I won't die from tainted food, helps me get medical care if I need it, makes sure I make a minimum wage and am paid in actual money, makes sure if I am driving on a bridge its probably not going to collapse, and lets me know well in advance when a fucking hurricane is heading towards my city and helps with emergency response after the hurricane hits.

For all the "freedom" you ass bags talk about preserving, I have yet to see one single, real freedom listed that you are losing.

As for Christianity and law... well, son, no matter what you believe about what "real christianity" would do, you need to take a nice long hard look at what the actual politicians who are religious conservatives and who are running for office want to actually do.
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September 20 2011 10:52 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
same
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September 20 2011 10:54 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

honestly who cares? they're all retards. really, rick. fucking. perry is their frontrunner. it's like we live in some fucked up bizarro universe where retards make up the majority and intellectualism, or plain common sense is considered retarded. sigh, afuckingmerica.


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September 20 2011 10:56 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.
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