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December 10 2012 12:06 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
" It's most certainly NOT a ludicrously psychotic stance to say the two establishment political parties have no meaningful differences."

Birth control. Gay rights. Abortion. Even equal pay for women.

But, hey.. no wonder you don't think those things matter. Look at the homepage of the site you are linking to.


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December 10 2012 1:37 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
again- there are democrats everywhere who are against welfare-funded birth-control, against gay rights, against abortion, and who beat their wives and laugh about it. Those are not stances that exist in some real space or tent or something, they are just invocations on television. Real people in political mechanisms all over the nation have no such uniformity of opinion.
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December 10 2012 6:46 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Man is Truth

again- there are democrats everywhere who are against welfare-funded birth-control, against gay rights, against abortion, and who beat their wives and laugh about it. Those are not stances that exist in some real space or tent or something, they are just invocations on television. Real people in political mechanisms all over the nation have no such uniformity of opinion.



Too bad there is actually a party and it does actually have a platform and while there may be some disagreement and a lack of complete consensus, that doesn't change the fact that there is a hell of a lot more support for those things in the Democratic party than there is opposition.

Also.. welfare-funded birth control? Since fucking when has health insurance you actually fucking pay for become welfare?
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December 14 2012 3:14 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
I am talking about medicaid abortion and school condoms and shit.

and you are just still not grasping that what someone on TV says, or in washington says, is just a few people. Just because they say that they speak for everyone does not make it so- in fact there are registered and active individuals in both parties with no uniformity of values or opinion. It is true that the stupider and follower portion of the population, who cannot distinguish between the claims of the spokespeople and the real world of many individuals, share some uniformity of reflexive, thoughtless, knee-jerk cliches, but, that does not reflect anything even close to ideas or cognition, and only demonstrates how desperate and pitiful the organs of thought are in the brain, and how they are subordinated to the need for approval and the soothing embrace of biochemical sensations of inclusion and security in the shadow of daddy's rape dick.
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December 14 2012 4:53 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Man is Truth

I am talking about medicaid abortion and school condoms and shit.

and you are just still not grasping that what someone on TV says, or in washington says, is just a few people. Just because they say that they speak for everyone does not make it so- in fact there are registered and active individuals in both parties with no uniformity of values or opinion. It is true that the stupider and follower portion of the population, who cannot distinguish between the claims of the spokespeople and the real world of many individuals, share some uniformity of reflexive, thoughtless, knee-jerk cliches, but, that does not reflect anything even close to ideas or cognition, and only demonstrates how desperate and pitiful the organs of thought are in the brain, and how they are subordinated to the need for approval and the soothing embrace of biochemical sensations of inclusion and security in the shadow of daddy's rape dick.



How about next time you A. have a point to make that isn't bleedingly fucking obvious and B. cut down on the loonspeak.
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December 14 2012 6:27 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
if it is obvious then why are you dedicating pages of replies to refuting it?

I put up a tent, and on that tent I hang a banner.

"GOOD PEOPLE" it says.

Word gets around that my Tent is up, and that the Good People are in town- the people in power, it is whispered, are among the members of Good People, and townspeople have started clubs, with business owners and resource-hoarders and allocators and leaders calling themselves Good People.


In that tent, I tell people what Good People are, how we beat dogs, how we kick old people off the bus to give us more room to stretch our legs, how we fuck our brothers' wives and steal.

Someone in that very tent now, they just came for the beer and hot dogs- they generally suspected before I gave my Tent Speech that they were Good People and have been calling themselves that for years before I started my own branding of that name.
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December 14 2012 8:25 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Some people who are Democrats don't support all the things the party at large generally supports... DUH! That doesn't change the FACT that most who align themselves as Democrats support those things and that the party actually has a platform that says that they, the party, support those things.
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December 14 2012 8:30 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Also... nice doubledown on the loonspeak.
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December 20 2012 7:17 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
loonspeak tends to always double down, sometimes tripledown. that is the nature of loonspeak.
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October 6 2013 9:32 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Jason Voorheees

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Tea party lawmakers see the shutdown as the culmination of years of effort

October 05, 2013 VOA

A one-page letter - signed by almost one-fifth of the legislators in the U.S. House of Representatives - was a factor leading to a political stalemate and the U.S. government shutdown. Congress and President Barack Obama cannot agree on continuing to fund the government, with the Republicans determined to undermine the president’s signature health care law. Some powerful Republicans say they are bowing to the wishes of their constituents.

Outside the Capitol, Washington, D.C. is quiet. Inside, talk is tough. Democrats support the president.

“What have we come to here? We have the best country in the world and it’s time we start running it again,” asked Rep. Peter Visclosky (D-Ind).

“The House has compromised over and over and over again," insisted Rep. Andy Barr (R-Ky).

Republican Congressman Barr belongs to the ultra-conservative arm called the Tea Party. It arrived on the political scene in 2009. The movement is now a force within the party.

Eighty members (a third of House Republicans, including Barr) signed a letter connecting a repeal of health care reform to any resolution that keeps the government running.

Barr accused Democrats of pushing through the health care reform act in 2010 when they had a majority in both houses of Congress, and said his Kentucky constituents did’t like it.

“I cannot ignore the deluge of calls and conversations and communications that I’m getting from constituents talking about Obamacare hurting them, their businesses and their families,” he said.

According to the Cook Political Report, most of the 80 Republicans come from districts that voted unlike most of the country. For example, President Obama only received 38 percent of the vote in Barr’s district. And while voters nationwide are looking more diverse, the Cook Report said Republican districts are getting whiter.

Moderate Republicans agree that Obamacare should be diminished but oppose the tactics of the Tea Party - like shutting down the government. Analysts said they were looking over their shoulder, afraid of a Tea Party challenger, if they didn't go along.

“In the case of Republicans looking over their right shoulders, they may be safe in their districts as Republicans if they were to face a Democrat in an election, but they may not be safe from a primary challenge,” explained John Fortier, of the Bipartisan Policy Center.










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October 9 2013 9:44 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
ANALYST: This Is The Tea Party's 'Alamo' -- The Odds Of Default Are 20%

Steven Perlberg businessinsider.com.australia

Surely politicians aren’t dense enough to martyr the U.S. economy for political ends, the thought goes. And even though market analysts agree that a true default would be catastrophic, markets have been relatively complacent to the threat.

But what Wall Street fails to realise, according to Potomac Research Group’s Greg Valliere, is the extent to which the Tea Party just doesn’t care. Valliere wrote to clients this morning:

We talked to Tea Party stalwarts last night, and tried to make our best arguments. “Don’t you realise the Republicans could lose the House in 2014?” We don’t care, they said.
“Don’t you worry about a catastrophic reaction in the financial markets?” We don’t care, they said.

“This is the Alamo, it’s Braveheart, battles to the death. These people are on a Mission from God,” Valliere says. He puts the odds of a default at 20%.
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October 14 2013 11:39 AM   QuickQuote Quote  



Veterans Slam Tea Party Politicians For Hijacking Protest Against War Memorial Closures

By Aviva Shen     October 14, 2013

After driving the GOP’s efforts to shut down the government over Obamacare, Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) headlined a march on Sunday to protest the closure of national parks and war memorials. Cruz and Lee shared the stage with former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin at the Million Veterans March. The Tea Party was out in full force, with attendees waving giant Confederate flags in front of the White House and speakers calling for President Obama to “put down the Quran” and “come out with his hands up.” One man was arrested at the World War II memorial with a rifle and ammunition.

Apparently, the original organizers of the veterans’ march are displeased with the Tea Party’s co-opting of their protest. On the Million Vet March homepage, the organizers suggest a local organizer invited Tea Party and birther groups against the wishes of the veterans:

"The political agenda put forth by a local organizer in Washington DC was not in alignment with our message. We feel disheartened that some would seek to hijack the narrative for political gain. The core principle is about all Americans honoring Veterans in a peaceful and apolitical manner. "

The organizers say they are simply calling for war memorials to stay open at all times and disowned the “disheartening acts of a few powerful Washington elite and political extremists jumping on the opportunity to make money.” On their Facebook page, they blamed “certain groups that have piggy-backed off our grassroots efforts” for obscuring their message. “We made the mistake of trying to partner with some Washington insiders that thwarted many of our genuine concerns for keeping this apolitical and grassroots. While we support many of those groups common causes for Veterans, we do not support the manner in which they go about it. We chose instead to not incite or create panic.”

Ironically, Palin promised during her speech that she and other conservative public figures would “not be timid in calling out any who would use our military, our vets, as pawns in a political game.”

Radical lawmakers and the Republican National Committee have tried to use veteran protesters to shift blame for the shutdown onto Obama. So far, this strategy doesn’t seem to be working. Polls show most Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown, and both the GOP and the Tea Party’s popularity are at all-time lows.


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D.C. Marchers Fly Confederate Flag October 14 2013

Michael Ashmore of Hooks, Tex., was among the many who converged on Washington for the “Million Vet March on the Memorials” to protest the government shutdown. This was the event where former half-term governor reality television star and best-selling author turned conservative gadfly Sarah Palin said, “Our vets have proven that they have not been timid, so we will not be timid in calling out any who would use our military, our vets, as pawns in a political game.” Applauding her self-awareness would be the height of irony — and sarcasm.

The protest and some of the barricades placed at the World War II Memorial then moved to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And it was there that Ashmore waved his Confederate flag. A symbol of Southern resistance and white supremacy unfurled in front of the home of the first black president of the United States. As Jeffrey Goldberg of Bloomberg View and the Atlantic correctly said on Twitter yesterday, “In many parts of America, waving a Confederate flag outside the home of a black family would be considered a very hostile act.”

Ashmore’s reprehensible rebel yell wasn’t the only offensive thing to happen yesterday. In front of the World War II Memorial, Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman said, “I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up.”

For more than four years, the president’s detractors have said they “want our country back.” But they never say from whom.



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October 16 2013 7:27 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
And out comes the bigotry and racism. Wait, we can't say he was born in Kenya anymore because thats too ludicrous even for us? Well, then he is definitely a muslim, then... and get me my confederate flag! No no.. not the actual one of the confederate government... that one that was never actually used by the confederacy, thus doesn't actually symbolize any sort of tradition or heritage outside of our own ignorance and racism.

Fucking cretins.
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Tea party activists call bipartisan deal a capitulation, say they are unbowed

washingtonpost.com/politics 10/17/2013

The bipartisan Senate deal to end the government’s fiscal impasse was roundly condemned Wednesday by tea party leaders around the country, who accused Republican lawmakers of capitulating to President Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress.

Matt Kibbe, president of the FreedomWorks conservative group, called it “a total surrender” and said the tea party’s gambit to undermine Obama’s health-care law could have worked if GOP leadership had stood firm.

“We don’t have regrets,” Kibbe added. “This was a very winnable fight, if the Republicans had been willing to fight.”

The deal struck Wednesday was a major setback for tea party groups such as FreedomWorks, Heritage Action for America and Tea Party Patriots, which backed a longshot attempt to use fiscal legislation to defund the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare.

In the end, conservatives set in motion a two-week-long government shutdown and brought the United States to the edge of its borrowing capacity without achieving their original goal of hobbling Obamacare. But activists said they were neither deflated nor defeated.

“Part of me thinks that sometimes you throw a ‘Hail Mary’ and just hope for the best,” said Joanne Jones, vice chairman of the Charleston Tea Party in South Carolina. “At the state we’re at now, I’m not sure how much worse we could have made anything. It doesn’t particularly bother me that it was attempted and failed. It was an opportunity for the American people to see a very petty and petulant president.”

The fight revved up the four-year-old tea party movement, which is now training its sights on blocking immigration reform and challenging incumbent Republicans up for reelection in 2014.

“This is not all for naught,” said Jenny Beth Martin, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots. “Fighting for freedom is always the right thing to do. We will take the energy and passion and put it into watching what the House does with amnesty legislation, and then into actions for next year that will involve elections.”

“We will keep fighting,” she added. “We’re not going to go away.”

Tea party organizers said the congressional showdown gave new steam to their efforts to dislodge establishment Republicans who did not champion the defunding effort, such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) and Sen. Thad Cochran (Miss.).

“It is invigorating, in the sense that who these people really are has become very plain,” said Roy Nicholson, chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, noting that Cochran voted with the Senate Democratic leadership during a key moment in the budget fight. “They are not on the same side as the U.S. Constitution. They are not on the same side as the majority of their constituents.”

On Thursday, Mississippi state Sen. Chris McDaniel, a conservative aligned with the tea party movement, is scheduled to hold a news conference announcing whether he will challenge Cochran.

“I predict that Thad Cochran is going to go out,” Nicholson said. “You would just not believe the number of people who are furious with this man.”

In Tennessee, activists said they have seen a surge of enthusiasm for an effort to eject Alexander from office.

“This has energized people,” said Ben Cunningham, president of the Nashville Tea Party. “This confirmed our perception that we are going to have to replace people in Congress who talk conservative — and talk and talk and talk — and do nothing.”

Cunningham said activists’ focus on upcoming elections underscores how the tea party has transformed itself since it first emerged in 2009.

“We have gone from a protest movement to a movement about the nuts and bolts of elections,” he said.

Meanwhile, national groups such as FreedomWorks said they plan to keep up the pressure.

“This fight goes on and on, as long as Obamacare continues to be implemented,” Kibbe said.
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October 17 2013 11:28 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
These people are so embarrassing.
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