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Sh0tGuNFaCeLift
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September 24 2011 12:16 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
this "movement" like many others was fucked from the start rich Republicans took it over and its now worthless they claim there out for Americans and Freedom but the truth is its the same old shit just another day. The rich grow richer the poor lose there jobs.

The only way this country can be fixed is by tearing it down and rebuilding with the rubble we leave laying on the ground.
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September 24 2011 2:54 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Sh0tGuNFaCeLift

this "movement" like man others was fucked from the start rich Republicans took it over and its now worthless they claim there out for Americans and Freedom but the truth is its the same old shit just another day. The rich grow richer the poor lose there jobs.

The only way this country can be fixed is by tearing it down and rebuilding with the rubble we leave laying on the ground.



Unfortunately, in that scenario, the rich will do what they've always done and move elsewhere. India and Brazil will become the new superpowers while America is left to rot or invaded for its oil reserves. In the absence of a federal government, differences in political and religious views will lead to civil warfare among a people who are already armed to the teeth. The 'start-over' you're talking about would take over 100 years to climb out of the hole, not to mention it could potentially crash the entire global market. Once the grid fell, which it would, the entire financial record would disappear, space research and law enforcement would fall through the cracks, and the golden age of man would turn into the dark ages.

There has to be a better solution.
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September 24 2011 6:55 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.
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September 24 2011 6:58 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
fuck the tea party and the fat, ignorant, racist cunts it's supported by and composed of
Kadesh
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September 24 2011 7:49 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget

Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh

a little more than that actually.



Okay... what more than taxes are you complaining about, Matt? ... and don't say "freedom" unless you can name what actual freedom you are losing... and having to pay taxes is not a loss of freedom, especially given the relatively low tax rates this country has.



taxes for a purposed universal healthcare, IF it happens. It's looking like it will the way you are supporting it. Other than that, no complaints.



what the fuck are you talking about? obama is basically a republican who took universal coverage off of the table before the discussion ever even started. you know what you are? you're a cliche conservative christian republican who simply follows the retarded bullshit group of turds from the far right in everything they do. you're not an individual, you're simply one out of millions of other retards who probably makes like $15k a year and for some reason, sympathizes with millionaires and billionaires. it's fucking clown shoes, and you're a fucking idiot.



Honestly, I don't even pay attention to what other Christians say about this stuff. I was taught the whole idea of the government paying for stuff in a public High school and I've always thought it was logically idiotic. No, I'm not an idiot, just a common sense thinker.



How the fucking fuck is it common sense for government to NOT pay for anything? Do you propose some other way to pay for things like roads, bridges, disaster assistance, police, fire departments, etc ? And if the free market proves itself unwilling or unable to provide an affordable and adequate service that is a vital service to the nation, why is government stepping in to in some way help provide that service adequately and affordably so wrong that it trumps the good that would be done?

And the idea that you are "just a common sense thinker" is the sickest of sick jokes from the blackest part of the spectrum of black humor.



not for "anything." YOU KNOW i'm NOT saying "they shouldn't pay for anything." I believe what they should pay for is the things to keep us moving as a society,things we all use like "roads, bridges, disaster assistance, police, fire departments, etc."

crap you twist words into WHATEVER you want. There is no reason to talk to you. You should just talk to yourself like you've been doing. You make up things and cry out, "INJUSTICE, all republicans are stupid!"
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September 24 2011 7:50 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Tylervo

You seem to only bash this movement because you need a made-up reason to bash them,instead of a real reason. By creating this made-up reason, you then are able to hate them. "They're all just a bunch of gay-hates and racists, etc!"

There is NO evidence that they are racist or that hate gays. Not being ok with the gay lifestyle is not "hating" a person. They're just not ok with the "gay lifestyle" but they can be ok with the person. Two separate things, not related. If I don't like how you clean your car, I'm not going to hate you as a person.

Lets talk about some real issues, like the movements philosophy they stand for. The philosophy is sound.



for once one guy has got it here....
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September 24 2011 7:51 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Sh0tGuNFaCeLift

this "movement" like many others was fucked from the start rich Republicans took it over and its now worthless they claim there out for Americans and Freedom but the truth is its the same old shit just another day. The rich grow richer the poor lose there jobs.

The only way this country can be fixed is by tearing it down and rebuilding with the rubble we leave laying on the ground.



you're just making up things now....
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September 25 2011 12:06 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
"I believe what they should pay for is the things to keep us moving as a society,things we all use like "roads, bridges, disaster assistance, police, fire departments, etc."

... health care.
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September 25 2011 2:33 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
reasons healthcare doesn't keep society moving....
-it's not a government responsibility to take care of an individual
-can bring the government down because the people can't depend on their own abilities to get healthy anymore, they become abusive of the system, they get lazy and see the government as being their mommy with milk.
-inability to eat solid food, take care of their own health
-taxes alot thereby creating a system of less ability to create new products for your business aka less
freedoms"


reasons healthcare does keep society moving...
-got to have health people to have a government moving


it's all alot of philosophies but so is the "need" for this thing.
Sh0tGuNFaCeLift
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September 25 2011 9:50 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
republicunts and demirats are not going to fix this country!!!!!
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September 25 2011 9:52 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: crunkmoose

Originally posted by: Kadesh


Originally posted by: 3,000 piece McNugget


Originally posted by: crunkmoose


Originally posted by: Kadesh

taxes, aren't my own money being used how I want it to be used (currently, yes for the most part)....taxing more doesn't help. I'm all for the bare necessities, roads, bridges, jails and police officers, paying gov. workers ,etc. I'm not for the government doing what we're all supposed to do anyhow like helping the homeless and get heathcare....things of that nature. A step in that way and we're one step in the direction of communism.

I guess we lose the power of our own money to change what we think is best to change. Money tends to be "freedom," loss of it tends to be losing freedom.



So.. you are against all taxes, then? Or just some taxes? Or perhaps you are against representative democracy, then?

Let me ask you something, then... if we aren't doing it ourselves to help the homeless or can't afford health care (as is a problem for many many people who unlike you don't get government subsidized healthcare... then should we simply throw up our hands because the free market isn't providing affordable health insurance?

As for that being one step towards communism, you're drawing a pretty damned arbitrary line there.... and its a line every other single fucking industrialized first world nation except ours has crossed, some for over half a century already.

New rule... if you can't name an actual freedom you are losing, you probably aren't losing an actual freedom. Not having to pay taxes is not a freedom. In fact, given your tax bracket, Obama CUT your fucking taxes, so what in fuck are you whining about??? You yourself said you only disagreed with Bush on one thing.. immigration. So, where was all this whiny, bitchy, hand wringing over your taxes being spent on things you don't want (as if you are the first to ever have that problem, you whiny fucking hypocrite) as if you don't live in a democracy when Bush was in office? Because, you see.. you've been on this forum that whole time, and you didn't once bring up this kind of shit at the time... though I'm sure you've convinced yourself that you have always believed this and always stood up for this sort of thing... though you haven't.

Unless you think that all of Europe, most of asia, much of south america, and canada are ALL socialist dictatorships, then this whole argument that "its a step towards communism" to simply provide healthcare for everyone in America, then you should check your fucking medication because you either need a refill or a much higher dose of your anti-psychotic. Its not communism; its the 21st fucking century, and its about damned time you backwards ass hillbilly fucktards joined it.



i think i love you



I don't have time to reply now, later, but to me you seem like a baby in the sense that you want your "daddy" to take care of you when you fall and get a boo-boo....You do realize "universal healthcare" brings every body down a level because the doctors aren't working to make their product the best, they're just able to do the job....as simply as that. I'll get you later.



Well, I'm not sure how you think after your repeated references to religion and your god as a father figure that you have any room to complain about others supposedly looking to have a father figure take care of them, but anyway.. to your point;

I and many others want results. We want affordable health care, which is something that the free market is not providing and is in fact not willing to provide. Thus, we need to solve the problem... and every other industrialized nation has solved it through single payer universal healthcare (which is not what we are moving to, mind you). Having been through the health care system in this country with myself, my grandparents, my friends, etc... I am more interested in results than in ideological purity.

As for doctors not doing as good a job because they supposedly won't want to improve the treatment they provide.... are you fucking insane? Doctors don't make more money now based on the quality of care they provide and Doctors do not get into the field with money as their prime motivation. The idea that people who have to go through med school and all that entails as well as interning, etc... are going to just not do a good job if they don't have some fictional profit margin hanging over their heads is absolutely fucking ludicrous.



i don't know if i would go as far to say that doctors do not go into practice for money....i see plenty that do and ones that do an outstanding job also MAKE more money then ones that do not

but i see what you are saying
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September 25 2011 10:57 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
What's to be said about matt that hasn't already been said?
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September 25 2011 11:08 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
he resembles an ape
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September 25 2011 11:56 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

reasons healthcare doesn't keep society moving....
-it's not a government responsibility to take care of an individual
-can bring the government down because the people can't depend on their own abilities to get healthy anymore, they become abusive of the system, they get lazy and see the government as being their mommy with milk.
-inability to eat solid food, take care of their own health
-taxes alot thereby creating a system of less ability to create new products for your business aka less
freedoms"


reasons healthcare does keep society moving...
-got to have health people to have a government moving


it's all alot of philosophies but so is the "need" for this thing.



Well.. your reasons are pretty much crap.

1. Doesn't really fall in line with the heading you put it under, and doesn't even really enter the debate, as the same sort of thing could easily be said for police and fire.
2. Bullshit scare tactics... and not seen in ANY of the numerous countries that have such healthcare systems. This idea is not unique, and in fact the UK has been doing it for over half a century.
3. People won't just stop taking care of their own health because they have access to healthcare. That just makes zero sense at all.
4. Doesn't actually tax all that much... again.. look at the nations that have universal healthcare. In point of fact, they actually spend LESS on their healthcare than we do... and they get better results for their money.

So, now that you are done pulling paranoid fantasies out of your ass.. why don't you try looking at reality, Matt.
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September 25 2011 12:13 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
This idea that people are so inherently lazy and stupid that if they had universal healthcare they would immediately stop taking care of themselves at all (as if health care can actually make up for that) and would stop trying to be healthy is not just ludicrous, but shows how little real faith the people proposing it as a realistic occurance have in the abilities and intelligence of the very people they claim would do better taking care of themselves... though how these people afford healthcare in our current system they don't explain.
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