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November 26 2010 4:26 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
most surprised about russia and turkey's numbers. i would have guessed they'd be the inverse of what they are.
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November 26 2010 5:05 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Interesting poll, but I dunno... I don't think the issue is all that clear cut. I mean, you have of course the question of which religion is dominant in these countries, whether there are other religions around to compete with it at all, and more importantly what part of religion is good or bad and for whom? For example... religion for the individual is often not bad at all, but when it comes to groups or to lobbying government to be more religious in nature a line starts to be crossed for me making that aspect of religion far more negative.
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November 27 2010 12:26 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
2 Tim 3:2,4 " For men will be... ...lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God"

with every passing year and every passing decade this becomes more and more evident.
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November 27 2010 12:35 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: jdubit

2 Tim 3:2,4 " For men will be... ...lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God"

with every passing year and every passing decade this is the same as it ever was.

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November 27 2010 4:03 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
the question makes no sense.

"is water good or bad?"
well water can be good if you're thirsty. it can be bad if you're drowning. either way, water just is.
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November 27 2010 6:26 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
"Global poll

Prior to the debate, the organisers had commisioned a 23-country poll on religion by Ipsos.

Some 48% of the 18,192 people questioned by Ipsos took the view that "religion provides the common values and ethical foundations that diverse societies need to the thrive in the 21st Century".

Fractionally more - 52% - supported the view that "religious beliefs promote intolerance, exacerbate ethnic divisions, and impede social progress in developing and developed nations alike".

Rich countries were less likely to see religion as a force for good than poor countries - the main exception being the United States, where 65% said it had a positive impact.

The Ipsos poll, conducted in September, found that Europe was the region most doubtful about the benefits of religion, with just 19% in Sweden agreeing that it was a force for good.

At the other end of the scale, in Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, it was seen as a positive force by more than 90% of those questioned.

Within North America, there was a pronounced divide. In Canada, only 36% agreed with the positive view of religion whereas 64% saw it as a negative force - figures almost exactly the reverse of those in the US."
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November 27 2010 1:12 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: tom.

the question makes no sense.

"is water good or bad?"
well water can be good if you're thirsty. it can be bad if you're drowning. either way, water just is.



My point exactly.
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December 1 2010 7:33 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
religion is Personal. Not a social order.
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December 1 2010 1:14 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Mike Laface

religion is Personal. Not a social order.



A nice thought... but nowhere near true.
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December 5 2010 2:44 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
I think religion promotes structure, and hope if you don't have hope. Whether it's "true" or not is a question i'm not going to answer. Regarding hope and structure, that is much needed. Regarding God being true or not, that is something that you need to determine yourself. If theres one thing I've learned, you can't prove something people will not face unless they want to face it. Learn for yourself.
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December 5 2010 10:09 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
"I think religion promotes structure, and hope if you don't have hope."

Promotes what kind of structure?

And as for hope... too much of that hope has been the hope of a paradise after death, allowing people to ignore the oppression of others on earth.
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December 5 2010 5:20 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: crunkmoose

"I think religion promotes structure, and hope if you don't have hope."

Promotes what kind of structure?

And as for hope... too much of that hope has been the hope of a paradise after death, allowing people to ignore the oppression of others on earth.





or to submit to it, or to take part in it.
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December 6 2010 1:37 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: crunkmoose

"I think religion promotes structure, and hope if you don't have hope."

Promotes what kind of structure?

And as for hope... too much of that hope has been the hope of a paradise after death, allowing people to ignore the oppression of others on earth.



...moral structure....moral people don't "ignore" oppression on earth. They just can, but their moral structures don't promote that or their not moral.

You just go right on thinking of the negative possibilities at everything "moral" and "hope," but you still always need hope. I'm sure you have a hope that you win this discussion...bah. You're a wind bag. Keep bashin good things. You've done this for years, when is it going to bite back?
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December 6 2010 1:41 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
The truth is I'm alive today when I should have died. A truck smashed into my side going 50 mph. Broke no bones just the girl on the other side of the car broke her arm. But why not me?
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Disinterest in rationality and common sense is always a good thing. Keep voting against gay marriage! Remember when you got to vote on that?
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