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September 28 2011 8:11 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
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June 10 2012 9:17 AM   QuickQuote Quote  
2012: Wisconsin. No, he wasn't directly responsible for the loss [they picked an older, worn out candidtae who had already lost once to Walker, among other problems] but Obama could have at least stopped by instead of being typically absent. The excuse most floated - that he didn't want to 'get involved' - is also typical aloof, centrist bullshit. Do yo think George W. would have hesitated? Besides, he wouldn't even have had to campaign explicitly for Barrett, he could have simply held a campaign rally for himself in Milwaukee or Madison, which all of the organized groups would undoubtedly have used for networking and publicity purposes. Even if Barrett still lost, he would have strengthened support among his base and undecideds there and everywhere else, and showed that he actually gave a shit.

Instead, he did nothing, with all the aftereffects that implies, giving one more example of remaining aloof, and detached, and not willing to go to bat when his people need him. His base experienced a disheartening and symbolic defeat, and is now that much more used to the idea of losing. And aside from its damage there, there is no way this can help him in November.
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GOP, Dems challenge Holder over subpoenas to AP

By By Pete Yost And Donna Cassata
May 15, 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Republicans and Democrats on Wednesday challenged Attorney General Eric Holder over the Justice Department's handling of the investigation of national security leaks and its failure to talk to The Associated Press before issuing subpoenas for the news service's telephone records.

In exchanges that often turned testy, Holder defended the inquiry while pointing out that he had removed himself from any decision on subpoenas. The attorney general explained that he had been interviewed about what he knew of national security developments that prompted the probe.

The investigation follows congressional demands into whether Obama administration officials leaked secret information to the media last year to enhance the president's national security credentials in an election year.

"It's an ongoing matter and an ongoing matter in which I know nothing," Holder told the House Judiciary Committee.

The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for the AP, seizing the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to the AP and its journalists in April and May 2012.

Holder defended the move to collect AP phone records in an effort to hunt down the sources of information for a May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bombing plot around the anniversary of the killing of terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

The attorney general called the story the result of "a very serious leak, a very grave leak." Earlier this week in a statement, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt called the gathering of phone records a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

Under questioning, Holder said he recused himself from the investigation though he couldn't provide the panel with the exact date nor did he do so formally in writing. He said he was unable to answer questions on the subpoenas and why the Justice Department failed to negotiate with the AP prior to the subpoenas, a standard practice.

"The telephone records would not disappear if the AP had been notified," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. "How could it ever be the case?"

The frustration extended to Republicans and Democrats.

"There doesn't appear to be any acceptance of responsibility for things that have gone wrong," Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., told Holder. He suggested that administration officials travel to the Harry S. Truman Presidential Library and take a photo of the famous sign, "The buck stops here."

It was the Justice Department's No. 2 official, Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who made the decision to seek news media phone records, Holder said.

Last year, Holder appointed two U.S. attorneys to lead a Justice inquiry into who leaked information about U.S. involvement in cyber-attacks on Iran and an al-Qaida plot to place an explosive device aboard a U.S.-bound flight. Holder had resisted calls for a special counsel, telling lawmakers that the two attorneys, Ron Machen and Rod Rosenstein, are experienced, independent and thorough.

Holder was grilled on several scandals rocking the administration, including the targeting of conservative groups by the Internal Revenue Service and any missteps in sharing intelligence information prior to the bombings in Boston.

Holder said the FBI's criminal investigation of the Internal Revenue Service could include potential civil rights violations, false statements and potential violations of the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from engaging in some partisan political activities.

In one of the sharpest exchanges, Holder defended Thomas Perez's tenure as head of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division and said he would make a great secretary of the Labor Department.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., was critical of Perez and repeatedly pressed Holder, who at one point refused to stop talking and accused Issa of repeatedly mischaracterizing the work of the Justice Department.

"That is inappropriate and is too consistent with the way in which you conduct yourself as a member of Congress. It's unacceptable and it's shameful," Holder told Issa.

The congressman ignored the comments and continued to question Holder.

Responding to news of the gathering of AP records, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., planned to revive a 2009 media shield bill that protects journalists and their employers from having to reveal information, including the identity of sources who had been promised confidentiality.

The bill does contain some exceptions in instances of national security.

"This kind of law would balance national security needs against the public's right to the free flow of information," Schumer said in a statement. "At minimum, our bill would have ensured a fairer, more deliberate process in this case."

The White House threw its support behind the push Wednesday morning, with Ed Pagano, President Barack Obama's liaison to the Senate, placing a call to Schumer's office to ask him to revive the bill — a step the senator had planned to take. White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama "believes strongly we need to provide the protection to the media that this legislation would do."

Obama's support for the bill signaled an effort by the White House to show action in the face of heated criticism from lawmakers from both parties and news organizations about his commitment to protecting civil liberties and freedom of the press.

White House officials have said they are unable to comment publicly on the incident at the heart of the controversy because the Justice Department's leak probe essentially amounts to a criminal investigation of administration officials.

It's not clear whether such a law would have prevented the government from gathering the AP phone records as it would depend on the provisions in the bill and how they were written.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence committee, said Wednesday that the leak was "within the most serious leaks because it definitely endangered some lives."

Feinstein said it was her understanding that the information gathering did not focus on the "content of phone calls," but rather "to see who reporters have spoken to, that somebody did provide this information with respect to this bomb."

On Wednesday, the leaders of the news organization whose members cover Congress told Cole that "your agency has not provided adequate reason for this disconcerting action."

"We are concerned the incursions by the Justice Department in this case jeopardize the relationship between reporters and anonymous sources, decreasing the likelihood that people will come forward with vital information of public importance," the representatives of the Congressional press galleries said in a letter.

"The press must be secure in its ability to conduct its business," the letter stated. "This critical work of reporters is protected by the First Amendment. Please explain how this unparalleled use of your investigative power is constitutionally consistent."
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May 15 2013 6:23 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: white trash dirt bag


what a waste of what should have been the best presidency in decades.



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August 26 2013 2:57 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: R2E2

at least he didn't start an endless war under false pretenses that killed over a million people.



Bush didn't the war, he just responded. He was actually in agreement with most of the nation was calling for at the time. Though you obviously forgot the widespread call for war.
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Originally posted by: R2E2

at least he didn't start an endless war under false pretenses that killed over a million people.



Bush didn't the war, he just responded. He was actually in agreement with most of the nation was calling for at the time. Though you obviously forgot the widespread call for war.
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August 26 2013 5:55 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Originally posted by: Kadesh

Originally posted by: R2E2

at least he didn't start an endless war under false pretenses that killed over a million people.



Bush didn't the war, he just responded. He was actually in agreement with most of the nation was calling for at the time. Though you obviously forgot the widespread call for war.



No, Ass, Bush started the idea for that war. He brought it up in the first fucking place... and HE made the decision to start the war.

Hell, not too long ago you were whining that he would be considered one of our greatest presidents in large part because he went into Iraq... and now you can't even bring yourself to admit going into Iraq was something he thought up and chose to do. There were massive, simply MASSIVE GLOBAL protests in opposition to going into Iraq. Literally the largest protests the world has ever seen.
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November 15 2013 10:54 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Well, we can no unequivocally add one actual failure to this thread... the shit-tastic rollout of the ACA. This was a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR fuckup. We knew there would be problems.. and by we I mean fucking EVERYBODY, but not this bad. That said, the real-world impact of this fuckup seems to be pretty light, which is good, so if it is fixed soonish then things can go along roughly as planned.
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