Originally posted by:paradelights

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Originally posted by:paradelights

haha, you know I don't have it which is why you won't ask for it? You are so scared I have a phone number. I'm begging you to ask me for it so you can prove it to yourself. You're not willing to actually call....you don't care, and you'd prefer not to find out because you like your dream world.

have fun there.

I'm not the one asking for all the stuff you claim to be holding back... because I already know you don't have it. You are doing the same thing you always do... so you can deal with the folks who still want to press you on this.

If you actually have something, feel free to post it... but I really am not going to press you on it.

you mean like what I just showed you I have?
you're ridiculous and you're scared I'm right. I just offered to give you phone numbers of people who have been healed so they can prove their own testimonies and you're to scared to ask for it with a lame copout.....

end this thread someone.

still no proof posted..... i'll take those phone numbers even though they won't be able to prove anything. what crunkmoose said was 100% right as the people who i'm going to call are going to say the same thing you are and won't be able to prove anything. people can not grow back limbs matt. my grandfather lost both of his legs in the vietnam war and there is no way he can grow them back. your God obviously can't do shit because he hasn't grown his limbs back with prayers and i know there are tons of people around the world praying for healing, but don't get it. Your God is a sick fuck as he let's so many prayers be unanswered.

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Originally posted by:paradelights

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Originally posted by:paradelights

haha, you know I don't have it which is why you won't ask for it? You are so scared I have a phone number. I'm begging you to ask me for it so you can prove it to yourself. You're not willing to actually call....you don't care, and you'd prefer not to find out because you like your dream world.

have fun there.

I'm not the one asking for all the stuff you claim to be holding back... because I already know you don't have it. You are doing the same thing you always do... so you can deal with the folks who still want to press you on this.

If you actually have something, feel free to post it... but I really am not going to press you on it.

you mean like what I just showed you I have?
you're ridiculous and you're scared I'm right. I just offered to give you phone numbers of people who have been healed so they can prove their own testimonies and you're to scared to ask for it with a lame copout.....

end this thread someone.

Well, matt.. they couldn't tell me anything but what you have... that it happened, which I don't doubt. What they can't do and what you can't do is provide any proof that it was in any way related to prayer. And the big question I have is this... if god has a plan, then why should prayer change that plan? If it doesn't, then the prayer is rather pointless... and unconnected to the actual healing if it is the work of god.

Also... you claimed to have MORE proof.. that you were holding back. It is that which I do not believe.

But please.. you just keep acting all brave when talking to me while you slink away with your tail between your legs when Adam or Sharps talks to you.

I gave you that "more" proof already. You didn't see it? Sharps was asking about amputees, I provided some stories of some people who had things grow back. You didn't see that?
Then to you, you were giving me some hassles so I told you I can give you the numbers of the people, and asked you "what MORE evidence do you want?!"

what am I holding back? If anything you are holding back because YOU DON'T WANT MY EVIDENCE.

Originally posted by:metalhead22554

Originally posted by:paradelights

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Originally posted by:paradelights

haha, you know I don't have it which is why you won't ask for it? You are so scared I have a phone number. I'm begging you to ask me for it so you can prove it to yourself. You're not willing to actually call....you don't care, and you'd prefer not to find out because you like your dream world.

have fun there.

I'm not the one asking for all the stuff you claim to be holding back... because I already know you don't have it. You are doing the same thing you always do... so you can deal with the folks who still want to press you on this.

If you actually have something, feel free to post it... but I really am not going to press you on it.

you mean like what I just showed you I have?
you're ridiculous and you're scared I'm right. I just offered to give you phone numbers of people who have been healed so they can prove their own testimonies and you're to scared to ask for it with a lame copout.....

end this thread someone.

still no proof posted..... i'll take those phone numbers even though they won't be able to prove anything. what crunkmoose said was 100% right as the people who i'm going to call are going to say the same thing you are and won't be able to prove anything. people can not grow back limbs matt. my grandfather lost both of his legs in the vietnam war and there is no way he can grow them back. your God obviously can't do shit because he hasn't grown his limbs back with prayers and i know there are tons of people around the world praying for healing, but don't get it. Your God is a sick fuck as he let's so many prayers be unanswered.

What is your problem? Also, here are some numbers.

-Ask about the people this person has seen healed...530-246-6000
-George Tellez (530) 222-7695, ask the same question
-I also have the number of someone at my church who couldn't walk. I don't have that number off the top of my head so if you want that also, I'll give it to you.


Regardless, if you want some sort of physical scientific evidence, that doesn't happen with things through prayer because it's outside of science sometimes. All you have are the people who say "I was blind, now I see because of Jesus Christ" or "I was going to die because my body was full of cancer, then I didn't have it the next day."

You can't have physical testable evidence for that because God does what he does. I have testimonies, that's it. Call them up.

your right matt in the fact that you provided stories. that is not proof though only stories.

well if it happened, why do you deny it?

If I told you I was lame and the doctor told me I would never walk then someone prayed for me, and I could walk a minute later, how are you going to tell me it wasn't God?

You only condemn yourself when you don't call them up. how about you prove me wrong?

Originally posted by:paradelights

well if it happened, why do you deny it?

are you fucking retarded? you said that you had proof of amputees growing back limbs that you were holding back and we have all been saying that you should present your proof. you have yet to show any proof. you gave us a link to something that had nothing to do with amputees and are now telling stories with no sources to back them up. i could make up a story and say it's proof, but it's not because there is nothing to back up my claim of the story.

Originally posted by:paradelights

If I told you I was lame and the doctor told me I would never walk then someone prayed for me, and I could walk a minute later, how are you going to tell me it wasn't God?

if millions of people in the world pray for their friends and family members to be free from sickness, not die from cancer, get free from drugs, etc. and it doesn't work....ever.... i'm going to tell you that your god obviously doesn't give a shit because he didn't answer any of their prayers. that's the thing with christians you all completely forget about all the other cases in which god doesn't do shit and then when you think that one prayer is answered then it proves your religion.

I told you specifically I had physical proof of amputees growing things back? where did I say that? could you remind me? Can you re-post what I said?

Here's what I told you, I had proof. My proof is the proof of an eyewitness which by law is a form of evidence. Then I gave you the phone numbers so you could talk to the people and hear it with your own ears. Are you to much of a wuss to actually call them?

Here's what I think, you are a wuss. You asked for something, and I showed you what you needed and you're not willing to take the steps to actually figure out if I'm right or wrong. You are in no position to say anything more. If you really wanted to know the truth, you would call them right now. But you don't. You would prefer to not believe because you REALLY don't want to know that a good God actually loves you and died for you. You want to do it your own way.

How about you just be a man and tell me straight up "I just don't care and I like doing whatever I want. I like pretending God doesn't exist."

be a man metalhead22554. don't be a wuss. got class. later bro.

I actually love knowing that your god doesn't exist. i'm not afraid of anything and i can't call them right now because i'm in a political science class something that you need to attend. why would i repost what you said after pages ago saying you were holding back evidence when it has already been quoted and posted

how convenient for you to say "my proof is the proof of an eyewitness which by law is a form of evidence"

Originally posted by:paradelights

be a man metalhead22554. don't be a wuss. got class. later bro.

im not being a wuss i'm getting an education one that is superior to yours. don't be sad that your brain isn't on the same level as mine.

Originally posted by: paradelights

false anaolgy. you don't know "true" stories and you can't prove it.

The stories are true and I can prove it.

"Once I saw a dragon"

There you go, by your standards I've just proved it.

But really, you genuinely believe in dragons, so I don't see why you'd doubt me. Oh yeah, because they all died out because they ran out of food while humans populated the earth. lol @ you and everything you think and believe and support.

Originally posted by:paradelights

Originally posted by:metalhead22554

Originally posted by:paradelights

Originally posted by:crunkmoose

Originally posted by:paradelights

haha, you know I don't have it which is why you won't ask for it? You are so scared I have a phone number. I'm begging you to ask me for it so you can prove it to yourself. You're not willing to actually call....you don't care, and you'd prefer not to find out because you like your dream world.

have fun there.

I'm not the one asking for all the stuff you claim to be holding back... because I already know you don't have it. You are doing the same thing you always do... so you can deal with the folks who still want to press you on this.

If you actually have something, feel free to post it... but I really am not going to press you on it.

you mean like what I just showed you I have?
you're ridiculous and you're scared I'm right. I just offered to give you phone numbers of people who have been healed so they can prove their own testimonies and you're to scared to ask for it with a lame copout.....

end this thread someone.

still no proof posted..... i'll take those phone numbers even though they won't be able to prove anything. what crunkmoose said was 100% right as the people who i'm going to call are going to say the same thing you are and won't be able to prove anything. people can not grow back limbs matt. my grandfather lost both of his legs in the vietnam war and there is no way he can grow them back. your God obviously can't do shit because he hasn't grown his limbs back with prayers and i know there are tons of people around the world praying for healing, but don't get it. Your God is a sick fuck as he let's so many prayers be unanswered.

What is your problem? Also, here are some numbers.

-Ask about the people this person has seen healed...530-246-6000
-George Tellez (530) 222-7695, ask the same question
-I also have the number of someone at my church who couldn't walk. I don't have that number off the top of my head so if you want that also, I'll give it to you.


Regardless, if you want some sort of physical scientific evidence, that doesn't happen with things through prayer because it's outside of science sometimes. All you have are the people who say "I was blind, now I see because of Jesus Christ" or "I was going to die because my body was full of cancer, then I didn't have it the next day."

You can't have physical testable evidence for that because God does what he does. I have testimonies, that's it. Call them up.

People being "miraculously healed" is no more a miracle than someone who is completely healthy and dies two months later from cancer. Give me a break with this shit.

I'll get on board with positive thinking as a way of helping the sick heal, but when it comes down to believing in supernatural forces removing tumors or growing limbs back, I have to chuckle.